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Arguing that UCLA admissions policies are being manipulated to circumvent the state's ban on consideration of applicants' race, a professor there has resigned from a faculty committee that he says refused to allow him to study the matter.
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UCLA</a> accused of illegal admissions practices - Los Angeles Times</p>
<p>Interesting...this just adds more hot water to the boiling topic on affirmative action.</p>
<p>To give perspective on Ward Connerly's quote:
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He noted that black applicants' chances of admission increased with the holistic approach, while acceptance rates of other low-income students declined, particularly among Vietnamese, a point Lifka did not dispute.
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Ward</a> Connerly</p>
<p>Here's Prof. Groseclose's 89-page report: <a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/CUARS.Resignation.Report.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/CUARS.Resignation.Report.pdf</a></p>
<p>Finally, here's Groseclose's professional information, including his curriculum vitae: Timothy</a> Groseclose — Political Science</p>
<p>Pages 15-17 of the Report offer Groseclose's suggestions for changing policies: "Why the issue is about transparency, not racial diversity"</p>
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Connerly said students ought to be told that any mention of race in applications would be grounds for denial.
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<em>facepalm</em></p>
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He noted that black applicants' chances of admission increased with the holistic approach, while acceptance rates of other low-income students declined, particularly among Vietnamese, a point Lifka did not dispute.
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I guess we Vietnamese just aren't as holistic as Africans. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Quote was from the professor I mean. Last pages of the report describe the admission of Vietnamese students.</p>
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wuts your point? you ppl didnt get in? well too dam bad. UCLA is good and we do wutever the HELL we want.</p>
<p>if you did get in, then why the F do you care about whether they are admitting fairly or not?
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<p>No, we can't do WHATEVER the hell we want. We can't just set fire to the campus without dire consequences. We can't just decide to massacre the whole undergrad population, just because we think it's fun. There are laws. But with that said, **** the law!</p>
<p>People who got in care because they believe in equality, even if that means a bit of self sacrifice. Also, they care about people other than themselves.</p>
<p>LOL Asians don't count as minorities in the education system in my opinion, even if you are SEA.</p>
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<p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 10 ****ing characters!</p>
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<p>if you did get in, then why the F do you care about whether they are admitting fairly or not?
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<p>Well, considering the fact that not everyone on the adcom believes in AA or using AA illicitly, there's no WE. The adcom has no right to endanger some of their dissenting, but non cognizant members by engaging in crimes( this is probably the case if they wanted to be more clandestine). I don't know if you're joking here; you're advocating that we no one should care because 1) rejected people are jealous, hence undermining their position 2) accepted people should just mind their own business. Instead of making ad hominem assertions, we should see if their actions are actually justified. And I for one see no justification. First, it's stupid. Even if they are under pressure to admit URMs, no member is going to be fired because none are admitted( why fire someone if it's out of their control? Thats like blowing the whistle on themselves). But if they do admit URM's based on race, whether primarily b/c or not, they jeopardize their jobs. Second, they are risking tarnishing UCLA. Even if it's for a right cause, the risks are just too much:lawsuits and even worse, disrespect from the nation=>eventually lower application rates=> lower admission rates=>lower rankings. They should just stick to their outreach programs.</p>
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<p>Why is this? Asians as a group are very diverse, sometimes to the point of no resemblance between various Asians cultures.</p>
<p>You guys are talking about this as if it's been confirmed in a court of law. This is just one guy who is accusing the university based on circumstantial evidence.</p>
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fricking babbling piece of cow crap.
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<p>lollerskates.</p>
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if you did get in, then why the F do you care about whether they are admitting fairly or not?
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<p>That's just a disgusting way to think. You should be apathetic if a certain issue doesn't personally affect you? That's like saying you care nothing for the abortion issue if you don't have reproductive capacity (and the reason that's on my mind is because of the recent media hype on the PUMAs, and one of them who was over 55 or some such has been quoted saying such a thing. I'm not trying to start a debate on the abortion issue, just give an example.)</p>
<p>Anyway, saying that we shouldn't care about admissions issues because we have already been admitted speaks volumes on how small-minded you can be.</p>
<p>Coffeebreak, It is simply just how I personally feel about the it, I don't think that it should be this way, but IMO it is. I'm Asian myself, teo chew/chiu chow.. lol wiki that **** if you don't what it is. Anyone where teo chew also by chance? Ga gi nang!! </p>
<p>They recently changed the apps and stuff so "Asian" was broken into like 15 different categories.. I think. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I'm still not in one of those boxes.</p>
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The average SAT score for admitted African-American students fell 45 points this year, to 1738.
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<p>:rolleyes:</p>
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Professor Protests Over Black Admissions at U.C.L.A.
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Published: August 30, 2008</p>
<p>LOS ANGELES (AP) — A professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, resigned from an admissions committee Thursday, saying he suspected officials were cheating to illegally admit more black students but have blocked access to data that would prove it.</p>
<p>The professor, Tim Groseclose, who teaches political science classes, said he was concerned because “applicants often reveal their own race in the essay portion of the application,” according to an article in The Orange County Register. California’s public universities are banned from using race as an admissions criterion.</p>
<p>University officials said that admissions evaluators do not see the names, race or ethnicity of applicants and that they are following the law. Of the freshmen that will start classes next month, 235 students are black, or about 5 percent of the class. Two years ago, just 96 African-American freshman enrolled.</p>
<p>Professor Groseclose said he wanted to use statistical analysis to examine whether students were being admitted by race. He asked for 1,000 student files, including essays, with the names removed, which officials refused because of privacy issues.</p>
<p>Professor Groseclose said he supports offering preferences to recruit and admit more black students.
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<p>Same deal - bare facts; less bias.</p>
<p>theyre only saying what everyone already knows</p>
<p>"The average SAT score for admitted African-American students fell 45 points this year, to 1738."</p>
<p>I could not find that part. What page? Interesting given my URM daughter was not admitted with stats that where AT LEAST average for the Freshman class (but perhaps just average for admitted students). We were quite disappointed at first, but quickly over it, as we were looking for a larger African American population anyway. We assumed economic diversity outweighed increasing students who were "just" URM's.</p>
<p>Edit; found it in an '07 document.</p>
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<p>I could not find that part. What page?
<p>Page 6. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Kind of headache to hear such kind of news, but it seems unavoidable for UCLA in a diversed state like CA. I believe schools should base more on the student acadamic and extra curricula achievement rather than race and income level to offer admission. But some people will against it because of "their group of interest"_saying in a political term hehe</p>