Lack of Asian-American representation in the media? Stop whining.

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This thread is in response to the comical Disney Channel thread. I started a new thread because I thought it was important for people to understand WHY there is a lack of representation for us Asian-Americans in the first place. Prepkid, you can't seriously be blaming the Disney Channel for this, now can you? I mean, these shows represent Asians based on ignorance. It's not purposely meant to be offensive or racial; the media just doesn't know any better. AND IT IS OUR FAULT that Asians are portrayed the way they are. Here's something I came across:

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<p>The fault isn't that there aren't Asian-Americans serious about their chosen field in the arts - there are plenty of successful Asian artists, architects, writers, fashion designers and a growing no. of Asian-Am directors. Not to mention journalists and news anchors (well, Asian female anchors anyway).</p>

<p>With regard to Asian-American actors - that's an entirely different story. While the portrayals of AFs as the "submissive, exotic Asian doll" or "Dragon Lady" still exist - the portrayals of AAFs have progressed somewhat to include that of nonstereotypical characters (however, all of these nonstereotypical AAF characters never seem to have an AM romantic interest).</p>

<p>For AAMs - things have not progressed as far. Most portrayals of AAM characters tend to be the stereotypical geek/dork, asexual, foreign or gay.</p>

<p>Daniel Dae Kim, who had spent 13 yrs in the industry, never had a role where he kissed a girl until "Lost" (and he had to play a foreigner at that). Btw, the writers for "Lost" initially had written for Sun to leave Kim's character, Jin, on the show.</p>

<p>And there are many Asian-American (including hapas who look primarily Asian) actors who end up leaving the US in search of better opportunities in Asia (i.e. - Daniel Henney who had to go to Korea for a career as an actor - even though he didn't speak any Korean).</p>

<p>Keanu Reeves and Russell Wong are both hapas - it's no coincidence that the hapa who passes as white as had much more opportunities (Wong has largely been limited to Kung Fu roles).</p>

<p>The writers for "Harold and Kumar" wrote the script since they didn't see any films/tv shows depicting their Asian male friends (who were regular guys and not stereotypes). They had to fight tooth and nail to keep both lead male characters Asian (the studio wanted to turn one of the leads into a WM character - which would have totally defeated the whole point of the script).</p>

<p>No - it's not the fact that Asian actors don't have the "zeal" for their craft (look at Vic Chao - a handsome, fit Asian-American actor who graduated from Stanford where he was a gymnast - the majority of the roles he gets offered are for "Chinese delivery guy" or "nerdy engineer" - but when the casting director gets one look at his mug and physique he gets "nexted" - since he doesn't fit the stereotype).</p>

<p>This bias is the same reason why advertisements/commercials primarily pair AFs with WMs and why almost all of the Asian-American news anchors are female.</p>

<p>Hollywood has made huge steps with regard to roles for blacks, women and gays/lesbians - but unfortunately, this hasn't been the case with Asian-Americans (particularly Asian-Am males).</p>

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Perhaps the reason that Asian men aren't bankable in Hollywood is the same reason they have less success with interracial dating than other non-asian males? Perhaps we should have laws outlawing things like personal preference as well? Then we could be one big happy family.

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<p>And perhaps Asian men aren't bankable b/c Hollywood is stuck at portraying Asian males as stereotypes which leads to the problem with regard to IR dating.</p>

<p>Half a century or so ago, black males were primarily depicted by Hollywood as buffoonish clowns, simpletons, manual labor and were pretty much emasculated - and guess what? No one thought of BMs as sex symbols then.</p>

<p>The media has a huge impact in how people think (after all, businesses wouldn't pay billions in advertising if it didn't) - it's no coincidence that females (esp. AFs) who spend time in Asia (where they see handsome AMs in romantic roles) end up changing their previous negative mindset with regard to AMs.</p>

<p>My beef isn't with the lack of Asians in the media (although to be quite honest, it's not that big of an issue with me with regards to Canadian media) it's the quality of it.</p>

<p>You can have an Asian guy/girl star in every big budget Hollywood movie for the next five years and it wouldn't mean squat if they were portayed as 7-11 clerks and/or owners of the local dry cleaners.</p>

<p>You South Asians out there even get less love so I got your back as well. You guys have a hard time getting roles that don't have Indian accents.</p>

<p>I don't think people really want Asian Hollywood headliners in blockbusters, because after all, the Asian-American demographic is tiny. You don't see movies in Korea starring white people, or even neighbouring Chinese people. But I think it's fair to demand that in the limited exposure that Asians do get, that it be fair and relatively un-stereotypical. So far, most of the movies and TV productions fail miserably at that.</p>

<p>k&s,</p>

<p>Kim also had a small but fairly good role in 24 in early seasons as Agent Baker. He was by no means emasculated there, either. And I did like the fact that his name wasn't necessarily "Wong" "Tanaka" or "Park." A buddy of mine here at UCSD is of Korean descent, and his last name is Racine, so it's pretty neat that the producers even thought of naming an Asian character "Tom Baker."</p>

<p>Well, at least I think so...</p>

<p>^</p>

<p>What's wrong with an East Asian character being named typical East Asian names?</p>

<p>nbachris2788 -
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I don't think people really want Asian Hollywood headliners in blockbusters, because after all, the Asian-American demographic is tiny. You don't see movies in Korea starring white people, or even neighbouring Chinese people.

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<p>That's totally different. Korea and China aren't (for the most part0 multiracial societies.</p>

<p>With regard to American entertainment - there is a long list of black and hispanic actors who have appeared as regulars on film/tv shows.</p>

<p>On a smaller scale - Asian-Am actresses have done relatively well for themselves - but somehow they are always paired with a non-Asian love interests (there are about 14-15 Asian-Am actresses who have had some success - pretty much all of them have never had a role where they have had an AM romantic interest).</p>

<p>Plus, Hollywood seems to have no problem importing Asian actresses from Asia to appear in Hollywood blockbusters (as love interests for, once again, non-Asian actors).</p>

<p>UCLAri -
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Kim also had a small but fairly good role in 24 in early seasons as Agent Baker. He was by no means emasculated there, either. And I did like the fact that his name wasn't necessarily "Wong" "Tanaka" or "Park." A buddy of mine here at UCSD is of Korean descent, and his last name is Racine, so it's pretty neat that the producers even thought of naming an Asian character "Tom Baker."

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<p>Yeah, I'm aware of that. But it was a pretty minor role ("24" is based in LA and this is the best they can do with an Asian role?) and there are way more stereotypical roles for AM actors than nonstereotypical.</p>

<p>I'm not saying that there haven't been some good roles - just that they tend to be significantly outnumbered by stereotypical depictions. </p>

<p>This is year 2007 and there still hasn't been a show on network TV with an Asian-American couple (much less a show w/ an Asian male character with a social/romantic life).</p>

<p>nbachris,</p>

<p>Don't assume the opposite when I never say it. I just think it's cool. It's an interesting twist on the Asian character. </p>

<p>k&s,</p>

<p>Agreed.</p>

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<p>Oh, gee, let's look at the demographics.</p>

<p>White - 75.1% 2000 Census, 81.7% 2003 CIA WFB est.
Black - 12.3%, 12.9%
Hispanic - 12.5%, N/A (CIA WFB claims that they could be any other ethnicity...>_>)*
Asian - 3.6%, 4.2%</p>

<p>*According to CBS circa 2003, Hispanics now comprise ~13% of the population.</p>

<p>What's more, Census 2000 says that of the households in which a non-english language is spoken, 59.85% speak Spanish; far behind at number two is Chinese (not even split between Mandarin and Cantonese, mind). The percentage of Spanish speaking households is sure to have gone up, and probably at a greater rate.</p>

<p>So yes, there is more diversity, and yes, we do constitute more than whites in Asian countries, but we also have more ethnicities to pander to. Now, unless one want to have shows have a quota which they must meet at the expense of good casting, one ought to see the sense in this. I mean, not only is the pool of potential viewers smaller (that is the most important part), but to compound this, the pool of potential actors is smaller as well. I'd say that what we see is fairly representative, save for Blacks, who are over-represented on the screen - we should be seeing slightly more of Hispanics.</p>

<p>But hey, I've never liked quotas, and would hate to have them hiring just for the sake of seeing the colors of the rainbow on my TV screen. I'm not that prudishly PC. Xp</p>

<p>As for Asians on the screen, off the top of my head...</p>

<p>Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
Hero (and all those Jet Li movies)
Memoirs of a Geisha (even if they did cast a whole bunch of Chinese people as Japanese...<_<).
Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle... (LOL, sorry).
Kill Bill.
All those Jackie Chan movies...
Joy Luck Club (sorry, just watched it again Xp).
All those Bruce Lee movies...
Heck, all those kung-fu/wushu movies...XD
Etc.</p>

<p>And the small screen?</p>

<p>Those people on Lost. (Sorry, I don't like Lost :p)
Those people on Heroes. (Ah...gotta watch more o' that show...:p)
William Kim in Prison Break.
A whole lot of voice acting. XD
Some dude on SVU (Wong something?).
A buncha sci-fi shows ala Star Trek and BSG, haha... (GO GRACE PARK! :D)
Gilmore Girls? I swear I heard something...
The plethora of channels offered on cable/satellite.
William Hung...XD (Again, sorry!)
AZN Television, for cryin' out loud! (I keep getting emails from them just because I voted for Grace Park...)</p>

<p>And of course, heaps of supporting/guest appearances.</p>

<p>Meh, I think we're doing fine enough. And about stereotypes - well, we don't suffer the worst of it.</p>

<p>If we really wanted to see more Asians on TV, forget about becoming actors/actresses, because the demographics help dictate the hiring process. Instead, we should focus on having more babies.</p>

<p>...What? :D</p>

<p>"we should focus on having more babies"</p>

<p>I agree. >_></p>

<p>People at my school (35% hispanic) complain that there are too many mexicans in my area. ten years ago it was 6% I think. </p>

<p>BUT, Hispanics having lots of kids (like average is 3.5, around here it's 4) does help the hispanic population. when the media starts deciding how many shows to put on with hispanic characters in them, they look at the census, and lo and behold, if there is a high hispanic census count, they will make shows with hispanc characters in them. They wil be afraid to protray hispanics badly if there is a large hispanic population since then no one wil watch the show and they will lose revenue. </p>

<p>BUT, say asians, who have on average 2 kids, compared to statistics for hispanics in my area who have 3 or four kids, there is simply not enough asian %tage in the population for the media and the movies to give a crap.</p>

<p>If asians were 10% or more, then obviously asians would be as well represented in the media as blacks are. THere would be less discrimination, and he*ll yes I bet there would be an asian NACCP. </p>

<p>asians are too focused on careers/money to have kids. Asians, you don't all have to be lawyers/docters!!! Years down the line, focusing on career/money too much is gonna hurt you. If there is no community/population to back you up, you are getting anywhere. Asians in America don't care about families as much as hispanics do, and that hurts them. </p>

<p>another thing my friend and I were talking about was how the asian population intermarries so much (usually w/ white), and how that actually decreases Asian American population. Most of the offspring of asian/white couples end up marrying white, and stop seeing themselves as Asian when they are only 1/4. They start marking white in the census, and not asian, and the media/marketers see this and don't create postive images of asians in the media. In a way this girl was saying that by Inter-racially marrying, they were actually reducing the Asian American population, becuase hapas often marrying white. so one or two generations down the line, 1/4 asian , 3/4 white hapas don't see themselves as Asian at all, but rather as white. If you don't look asian, and/or have an asian last name you don't psychologically consider yourself asian. </p>

<p>20 years down the line, nobody will have making fun of hispanics since there will be so many. But people will still discriminate against Asians as long as the population is small.
again this is a generalization, but it's true more often than not.</p>

<p>to sum it up...
small population=discrimination.</p>

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Er... I was joking...</p>

<p>Not that I don't somewhat agree, but I didn't expect that to be taken seriously. O_o</p>

<p>I guess it is not unlike the business with Muslims in France, but, er, while talking about television screentime, it's pretty neutral and tame, but when you get into the population as a whole...well, it gets to be a very touchy subject.</p>

<p><em>steps momentarily out of the heptahedron of PC-ness</em></p>

<p>Um, I'd rather they have fewer kids than we have more. Y' know, over-population and all... Welfare, job opportunities, etc...</p>

<p><em>steps back into the heptahedron</em></p>

<p>But, every individual can make a contribution to our world.</p>

<p>er.....but it's reality</p>

<p>I guess people just don't want to know the truth. Just wait 20 years and you'll understand.</p>

<p>I was just using hispanic as an example, (i was not saying that we need to have more kids to compete with them) It's just that the smaller numbers a minority group is, the easier it is for people to discriminate.</p>

<p><em>Firmly inside PC-ness heptahedron</em></p>

<p>All races are treated equally in the United States!</p>

<p>Except, of course, when they're not...</p>

<p>Hey, I said I somewhat agree; I'm not so puerile as to not understand a few things about society. But, I'm also a stickler for being politically correct, and it usually takes some goading before I give an opinion that is not wishy-washy. ;)</p>

<p>Why are asians like prescitedentity so afraid to voice an opinion?</p>

<p>:confused:</p>

<p><em>sighs</em></p>

<p>Sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek humor is hard to get across online... :rolleyes:</p>

<p>"we should focus on having more babies"</p>

<p>no.. just no... asians already make up a huge percentage of the world population. if you want to see a lot of asians in the media, go back to asia.</p>

<p>Or.. go to Hollywood and stop whining about what your peers aren't doing.</p>

<p>:o</p>

<p>This is what I get for making an offhand joke, huh? Did y'all really think I was being serious with that "have more babies" comment? :rolleyes: </p>

<p>And pugfug90, my refutation of the idea of invading Hollywood is in my last post. Demographics shows that we are properly represented. Hey, I'm not the one whining, for once; I think we're fine.</p>