<p>I know many students who don't do anything in high school but sleep all day, they all say that they will just go to a CC and transfer to a big school. I don't see how this is fair. I admit 'm not the greatest student by I do try hard, and I'm only qualified for some average schools. I had to work hard for 4 years while they have to do very little and they still get into better schools. What do we have such a flawed system?</p>
<p>This is flawed logic.</p>
<p>I don’t completely agree with that. To get into UCLA or UCB you still need almost all As from CC. Putting in half-work or effort won’t get you that. With that said, I wont’t lie, it is a LOT easier to get into a UC from CCC. 3.2-3.5 will get you into most mid-tier schools. 3.7+ into UCLA or UCB. </p>
<p>The reason for this is the CA master plan. Basically if CC students could not transfer to UCs, everyone would be stuck in the CC and the system would break down. So whether you like or not, CC students have to go somewhere. The rules state 1/3rd of UC graduates needs to be CCC trasnfers. Because of this they under-admit freshman, which increases the grades required for freshmans. So only the exceptional students get into UCLA/UCB. The good but not amazing goto the 2nd tier UCs, the weaker people to other UCs or CSUs and so on. So because of this the quality of CC students is usually lower. These reasons make CC transfer easier. </p>
<p>I wouldn’t say it is flawed. It gives people who screwed up in HS a second chance. It also allows people in HS you didn’t get into their preferred school another shot. If we could make a better system I am sure we would.</p>
<p>I guess that is the trade-off for living at home a few years before you get to go away. For me, I’d rather start at a 4-year. From what I hear, you form most of your friendships Freshman year. Also, who knows if they really will get into a top UC? You need to have a great GPA at a CC. It will probably take them longer overall too. What you can always do is start at at easier UC school and transfer to a better one. Good luck…</p>
<p>^ at least 80% of transfers at any UC school are from CCC. Transferring from one UC to UC is possible but much more difficult.</p>
<p>Engineering at UCLA or UCB. Business and UCLA and UCB are probably the only difficult majors to get into from CCC. You can tag into the other UCs for most programs. If you were a 3.3 student in HS, with a bit more effort you are a 3.8-4.0 student at CC. (besides engineering majors)</p>
<p>had to work hard for 4 years while they have to do very little and they still get into better schools</p>
<p>Your argument is flawed.</p>
<p>you could go to a CC as well, and then transfer to a better school. </p>
<p>And…these people are blowing smoke. If they goofed off in high school, then they likely don’t have the foundation to do well at a CC. So, unless they’re one of the few that really gets their act together, they won’t be transferring to a top school later on.</p>
<p>Most people who go to CC saying they’re going to transfer, don’t.</p>
<p>Many don’t even graduate CC.</p>
<p>^ The two posts above me are very true. UCLA had a 20% overall acceptance rate for freshman apps, it jumped to a whopping 26.48% for trasnfers. Most people at CC don’t get their act together well enough. I have met a lot of people who have dropped out. A lot just taking random class, A few who have transferred to CSUs, a bit less who want to goto UCs and a handful who have actually gotten into UCLA/UCB.</p>
<p>Think about it this way</p>
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<li><p>As a transfer student, you need to get excellent grades AND demonstrate growth in extracurricular/vocational endeavors to get into a top UC. It is extremely rare to find someone who purposely slacks off in high school in order to transfer two years later to a UC.</p></li>
<li><p>As a transfer student, you have to do a lot of social and academic catch-up once you are admitted. You miss out on the freshman bonding and dorming experience, and jump straight into upper-division courses. It’s not the easiest thing to do.</p></li>
<li><p>I was a regular admit at Cal, and on average, my transfer classmates were a harder-working bunch. It’s not to say that we were lazy - it’s just that transfer students were exceptionally driven and goal-oriented. They tend to have a wider range of experiences so they know what they are working for and why it’s necessary to work hard.</p></li>
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<p>This is not about fairness, but the way you have thought about this clearly shows you have an infantile way of thinking which reflects the fact that you are just a teenager with little world knowledge. But i’ll be nice and let you know, there are people who are extremely smart, UCB/UCLA/Stanford material but they drop out of high school because of family problems, homelessness, have a different way of learning than those pushed on students at high schools, and basically have to deal with 1000 problems at a young age and work on fixing those problems instead of doing silly hw for high school. then when they are young adults, they are able to better focus on school, get all As , transfer to UCB/UCLA. for example I went to an all white school full of wealthy students and teachers, I was an extremely poor brown student, teachers attempted to teach me and tell the most horrific and racist things, I dropped out of h.s in order to survive in my brown skin and identity, got to a CC where most teachers where willing to teach students the opposite of everything I was taught in h.s, got all As, planning on transferring to UCLA, UCB. I got my GED, was absent for over the school year every year of high school, sometimes I would be absent months at a time, got 18 Fs, and now Im considering applying to Stanford with my CC grades. simple, easy, fair</p>
<p>If those “lazy” students are getting into UCs and you aren’t, clearly they’re doing something right compared to you.</p>
<p>Someone’s bitter…</p>
<p>Hard work never goes in vain.</p>
<p>OP, go to a JC and profit.</p>
<p>There are amazing people who go to lower tier UCs and CSUs…</p>
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<p>This is spot on the truth. You wouldn’t be complaining if these “lazy” people didn’t have more achievement than you. Don’t be so bitter.</p>