<p>Firstly, I am a parent, not a student. My D loves NYC and LC and didn't like RH at all. But I got the impression from visiting both campuses that the kids in LC "looked" more stressed. Cramming in full elevators, running to classes, more cigarette smoking....I realize that the pace of the city may have some influence on this.
Are the kids at RH more relaxed or is it just that the campus is spread out more? What about the smoking thing? My daughter reports that very few kids from her (1300+kids) H.S. smoke. Is it the arts-kids-who-smoke stereotype thing at LC?</p>
<p>Hmmm.....generalizations are difficult to assess. LC is more artsy. It is Manhattan.</p>
<p>What didnt she like about Rose Hill? Its a GREAT campus and WONDERFUL school? Very safe.</p>
<p>New York is by definition a bit more stressed, than say a rural campus somewhere else. But RH kids come in all shapes and sizes...some are intense, but most are not overwhelmed. College is stressful no matter where you go, because kids are grade obsessed, there is a lot of reading and paper writing to do, and kids are often disorganized and waste too much time then get stressed cramming for deadlines.</p>
<p>But overall, I would say that RH is a very normal campus. You can find kids who fit your D's personality type. Its a LOT less stressful than NYU and Columbia, I can tell you that.</p>
<p>I took graduate courses at Lincoln Center and one thing that I guess is still true is that the elevators were slow and crowded. It's just a completely different environment than Rose Hill. That's how it is in Manhattan with the tall buidlings. Everyone has to jam into elevators because the wait for the next one is usually long. If your d was working in an office, the elevators would be crammed with workers in the morning. That's life in the city.</p>
<p>Rose Hill is a beautiful, traditional campus, no real need for elevators as the buildings are not that tall & most students use the stairs. Students look very happy on campus, and not rushed.</p>
<p>Regarding the cigarette smoking, I'm at Rose Hill quite often and I am really shocked with the number of young students smoking. Granted, there are thousands on campus and I probably see 20 or so smoking so the number is truly not that great. I do notice because my father is presently dying of lung cancer caused from smoking. I cringe when I see anyone with a cigarette, especially a young person. I wish I could tell them all about the horror of not being able to breathe and feeling as though you are suffocating with every strained breath, or the horrible side effects of chemo. So, there is smoking among college students, I'm sure at any campus. If you are like me, you are probably just noticing it more.</p>
<p>I honestly don't know why any young person would take up that habit, but unfortunately, they do. I never noticed anyone smoking at my d's hs either, but perhaps the students feel more free to smoke in public now that they are away from home and adult eyes.</p>
<p>nocousin-my daughter didn't like RH precisely because it is not in NYC. When we were at RH all her concerns centered around how fast and often she could access Manhattan. It also reminded her of Boston College, a school 5 minutes from our house. To her, BC is too far away from Boston...and it has a gated, suburban feel which is exactly what she is trying to get away from. When we visited BC she wouldn't even take the tour after the info session! Different strokes for different folks. The past 3 summers she has lived in major cities and loved it.
She seems resigned to the smoking issue. It is me that is stuck on it. I not only worry about second hand smoke but also the other unhealthy choices these kids are making.</p>
<p>In response to helicopter moma "Unhealthy Choices" What's up with that? Do you think that LC students run around acting out scenes from SITC? Do you think that your product might become stained? Might happen. Wecome to college. We have a beautiful church next door. I suggest you pray Baby gets into Barnard. Cause Fordham ain't handing out protection! </p>
<p>To all of the wonderful people that usually post here...sorry 'bout that. You all deserve better. My bad.</p>
<p>Wow. I guess I hit a sore spot with neandrewthal. I have no why he made the sarcastic SITC/protection comment. I agree that there are kids at all colleges are making unhealthy choices at times. I feel it was appropriate to at least voice my concerns on CC.</p>
<p>Flygirl, I also realized after I posted yesterday, that in NYC there is no smoking allowed in buildings so you will always see small "crowds" of smokers hanging out outside the buildings. Whether it's office buildings or academic buildings, there is always a group of smokers there. Perhaps this is what you saw that gave you the impression that there were a lot of cigarette smoking going on. This probably would not be going on at most high schools where smoking is not allowed on campus. Whenever I see kids smoking on campus, they are usually outside a building in groups.</p>
<p>There are a lot of "artsy" types at LC and not all of them are Fordham students. I was surprised at how many Juilliard students smoke! Also a lot of law students, stressed grad students so a lot of smoking there. I would be concerned if there is smoking in the dorms, which I did not smell when I visted, but may be an issue despite the rules against it. In my book, Fordham's LC is a great deal for NYC with the absolutely best dorms of all UG schools. That said, for a traditional campus, RH is the choice.</p>
<p>My daughter is a freshman at LC. We had no familiarity with NY or Fordham before she visited the campus her junior year of high school. She instantly felt comfortable with Manhattan and the LC campus. I had concerns because it is not a traditional campus, is in a very urban environment, and I was unsure about the student body. She has been at LC for a little over a month now. I am very happy with the school and that she made the decision to go there. There are five girls in her dorm/apartment room (and none of them are from NY). To my knowledge, none of the girls smoke. I also have not had the sense that my daughter is particularly stressed. What I do like about the LC campus is how much the location offers the students. My daughter already has gone to a dance performance at NY City Center and paid $7 for a student ticket; she goes to Central Park on the weekends with her roommates and shopping around the city; this weekend she went to the movies after buying a $5 student ticket; and she is looking forward to ice skating during the winter. So far the LC campus has provided a healthy environment because there are so many activities within the city and the students aren't limited to drinking and/or partying as the only social outlet.</p>
<p>RH is very clean. The buildings are very well kept, even the 150 year old ones. Cramped, but well-kept (this is true of old university architecture anywhere you go.) During the day it's very nice and safe to walk about Arthur Avenue and eat. I didn't go to school at LC, but I never remember it being smoky. Then again I've spent my life in and out of Manhattan, so maybe I just never noticed it. Smoking rules are well inforced, however.</p>
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flygirl, you seem like a nice concerned mom, but you're being kind of unrealistic. maybe in the nice gated suburbia you're accustomed to, not a lot of people smoke, and that's nice. but in the outside world, there are tons of people who smoke, and you being concerned about those young people isn't going to change a thing. chances are a lot of them do stuff more unhealthy than smoking, such as drugs, binge drinking, etc. Hope you're not actually stuck on an issues as trivial as students - most of whom are legally adults - smoking. as for the second hand smoke thing, you can't shelter your daugther from smokers forever, unless she grows up to live in a smoke free bubble.</p>
<p>So the reason why the elevators are overly crowded is because we take them to go to classes and there are thousands of students attending fordham undergraduates at LC therefor, I would say that because we all use one building to take all classes(at least for the core.) So imagine 500 students having a 830 am class on the 4-11 floors. </p>
<p>I too have seen that there are a lot of smokers at Rose Hill but obviously that is a personal choice and if your daughter is like me who would never smoke than have no fears it wont effect her. </p>
<p>Are the kids more relaxed at RH? Obviously no one on this forum can answer this because no one will have the answer and if they do then its most likely a lie because they cant possibly know how 5000 students feel on a daily basis. I can tell you this that at this time, midterm week, we all (at the three campuses) are stressed out, but the answer is clear MIDTERMS.</p>
<p>If your daughter likes NYC then she will love LC because one stereotype I can safely make is that THE STUDENTS ARE LOVELY AND PLEASANT. I am a freshman and I can tell you that anyone your daughter meets on campus at LC will speak to her and answer her questions truthfully and honestly to the best of their abilities.</p>
<p>IF YOUR DAUGHTER IS ACCEPTED TO FORDHAM AND DECIDES TO COME TO LC THEN SHE WILL LOVEEEEEEEE ORIENTATION WEEKEND. GOODLUCK</p>
<p>First of all, I'm sorry that you've gotten a few rude responses--I'm a little shocked because most Fordham students (and I feel really comfortable making this generalization) are very polite, regardless of which campus they attend!</p>
<p>As to your question, I'm a Rose Hill student who has taken a few courses at Lincoln Center, so I've experienced both campuses. There's certainly a different vibe, and Rose Hill does seem a bit more relaxed, as it is a more typical American college campus, while LC has the unique vibe that comes with being located in the heart of Manhattan. </p>
<p>At ANY college campus, your daughter is going to encounter people who make bad choices, and engage in risky behavior. If your daughter goes to college determined not to participate in any illegal or risky activities, there are tons of other things for her to do at Fordham and in the city, and she won't have any trouble finding a niche at either campus. Furthermore, I have never witnessed (at either campus) any peer pressure. Your daughter's exposure to anything you might be worried about will, at Fordham, be up to your daughter. </p>
<p>So, as to picking a campus, I suggest she choose the one she feels like she'll enjoy or feel more comfortable in. I know students from both who will argue vehemently for their particular campus, and I'm partial to Rose Hill. Both campuses have many benefits, and each has a few faults, so it really depends on which vibe your daughter prefers. I can only assure you that attending LC won't cause her to take up chain-smoking and crack, but neither will attending Rose Hill ensure that she won't be tempted to make any bad choices.</p>
<p>my daughter didn't like RH precisely because it is not in NYC. When we were at RH all her concerns centered around how fast and often she could access Manhattan. It also reminded her of Boston College, a school 5 minutes from our house. To her, BC is too far away from Boston...and it has a gated, suburban feel which is exactly what she is trying to get away from. When we visited BC she wouldn't even take the tour after the info session!</p>
<p>I know what you mean about BC, but I think the Rose Hill campus is different. It is not "suburban" at all. My daughter is a freshman there and I am amazed at how much she has been able to get into the city. The Ram Van is an exellent way to get between RH and LC - like a car service - safe and direct. Meto-North is right outside the gate and is a 19 minute ride to the East Side. The subway is a bit further and sketchier, but if you have street smarts certainly an option. It really is the best of both worlds.</p>
<p>If she is uncertain about LC, maybe a visit to RH with a trip to midtown would convince her that RH is not a mini BC.</p>
<p>I'm originally from Plattsburgh NY, and it seems, in comparison to my old school, like Fordham LC is an extremely high stress, rush and run, not-exactly-friendly, environment. However, I would blame that more on the NYC location than the school itself. </p>
<p>I haven't been to the RH campus before, so I can't say too much on the comparison. However, I didn't really sense the "art-kids-who-smoke" stereotype at Fordham. It seems like a well mix of some of everybody.</p>