<p>^ Reality check: A perfect AI score is 240.</p>
<p>A value for class rank depending on size of the high school is added to the SAT score - the link was posted a few pages back.</p>
<p>The AI formula has been tweaked a little bit, but the highest possible score is still 240.</p>
<p>160 (for 1600 M+V on SAT) +80 (for highest class rank/ GPA) = 240</p>
<p>The other method, (V+W)/2 + M +80 = 240</p>
<p>They have now dropped rank.</p>
<p>The old formula had three sections of 80 max possible. Rank or GPA (score from a table), Sat M+V total/20, top 2 SAT2s/20.</p>
<p>I haven’t studied the changes carefully, but there appear to be two. On the GPA component, rank has been dropped in favor of a straight GPA conversion, and the SAT M+V can essentially be counted twice if there aren’t SAT 2s.</p>
<p>Still 240 max.</p>
<p>Edit: I think I’m wrong about the SAT score they use. It used to be M+V. With the revised formula, it looks like they’re using all three components, with M weighted double the other two. Still 240 max.</p>
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<p>What school doesn’t? It’s silly to assume that any school wouldn’t accept a professor/administrator’s kid (unless the kid had a stellar academic record of D/F grades or a criminal background, of course).</p>
<p>Do the Ivy’s have skeet shooting and trap shooting teams? Do they recruit for them?</p>
<p>Do the Ivies or any other colleges use AI or similar system for the other applicants, as well? Or for other hooked, i.e. legacies, URM’s, development?</p>
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<p>Harvard and Yale (and maybe others) have skeet shooting but it’s a club sport. Not anything you are going to get recruited for.</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> Shooting Team - HST](<a href=“http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~shooting/?id=home]Harvard”>http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~shooting/?id=home)</p>
<p>^ Ha Ha, I guess, it (shooting) did not make the elite sport cut off, like fencing.</p>
<p>O and thanks for the link! How can one know which are club sports? How about skiing?</p>
<p>^ the sports are listed here … [The</a> Official Website of Harvard University Athletics: Harvard Athletics - GoCrimson.com](<a href=“http://www.gocrimson.com/landing/index]The”>Harvard University - Official Athletics Website) … the men’s and women’s varsity sports have pull downs on the left … while the club sports are on the far right.</p>
<p>“Cornhole” is listed as a Harvard club sport. I might be confused about what that means.</p>
<p>sherpa, it’s a bean bag tossing game.</p>
<p>[Cornhole</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornhole]Cornhole”>Cornhole - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>This whole post is so full of red herrings, misinformation and bitterness it’s hard to make sense of much of it. A large number of the misunderstandings relate to the view that athletes are “recruited,” while other students without hooks are not. Let me put that one to rest, as my daughter was recruited for both athletics and vocal performance at several elite universities, and the process was essentially the same.</p>
<p>The athletic process was exactly as has been described above (and yes, it was for fencing)–coach meetings, a “pre-read” of the numbers to be sure Daughter had an AI that would fly with Admissions, followed by official visits, pressure to submit application early (by mid-October), promises of the coach’s “support” for the application, and then ultimately early acceptance IF (and only if) the complete application was in order and Admissions approved. The coach warned ahead of time that in his experience, her chances of approval were about 40%, although he pointed out this was significantly higher than for non-recruited students. (Incidentally, Michele Hernandez, in her book “A is for Admission,” also calculates that recruited Ivy League athletes stand about a 40% chance of admission–significantly higher than for non-athletes, to be sure, but definitely no shoe-in.)</p>
<p>The music recruiting process followed essentially the same path: contact with professors by phone, an informal pre-read, and then pressure to submit an application early INCLUDING a performance recording (the more professionally produced, the better). The Admissions Dept. would then forward the recording to the appropriate music professor, who would listen and submit a letter of recommendation (or rejection) back to Admissions for this particular student, much like a coach’s support for an athlete.</p>
<p>Again, we were warned that this was no guarantee–simply an additional point in the student’s favor–and of course we parents ourselves have no way of knowing how much sway any particular prof has with Admissions (nor do we know about the coach’s sway, either). Clearly, however, it can lead to admits of music students who might otherwise have fairly unremarkable applications overall, and the process is necessary in order for a student to be eligible for many scholarships for private music lessons, coveted positions in selective ensembles, etc.</p>
<p>How do these processes differ, between athletics and music? Very little, I maintain.</p>
<p>I know the process is also similar for art students (who are often asked to submit portfolios for review by an art dept. committee) and dance students (who submit videos), and then receive departmental support, or “recruiting,” for their applications. Indeed, according to the novel “Admission,” by former Princeton adcom Jean Hanff Korelitz, even star PHILOSOPHY students are “recruited” by the philosophy department, through intense professor support for their applications.</p>
<p>I suppose the question remains as to whether sports should be in this recruiting mix at all, alongside the more academic pursuits like music and art; ultimately it boils down to a personal opinion related to an individual’s view of a university’s mission in society and the role of sports in the first place. But to claim that ONLY athletes and legacies get special attention or treatment during the admission process is pure ignorance at best, and downright maliciousness at worst.</p>
<p>Did your daughter receive a likely letter for either fencing or music?</p>
<p>No likely letter; she was accepted at the “fencing” university and learned the decision on the regular SCEA announcement date like everyone else. My understanding is that likely letters are mostly used for Regular Decision applicants who otherwise would not learn of their acceptances until March or April, and who need to know earlier in order to respond to scholarship offers extended by non-Ivies that require a decision before that date. I might be wrong about that, however.</p>
<p>Because D applied SCEA to the fencing university, she was prohibited from applying EA for music programs (which were at different schools from the fencing one), so we’ll never know how that would have panned out. However, we did find that the process for music “recruiting” exists, and is pretty well established.</p>
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<p>Lots of public schools determine admissions by GPA and test score formula without legacy preference.</p>
<p>The local students I know who got into Princeton and Penn received a likely letter for fencing ahead of the early action and early decision this year.</p>
<p>I suspect it depends on who else is competing for their services as well as how much they need a candidate which determines the likely letter.</p>