<p>Ok so... I have an H4 visa because my dad has a H1 professional worker Visa. Green card is coming soon, but probably not before I apply to college.</p>
<p>MY QUESTION IS.
How do Harvard admissions look at me? I know every college has its own criteria, but would I be considered an international student (I do have Peruvian and Italian citizenships)?</p>
<p>Who am I? I'm so confused =(</p>
<p>check on their website. i think they consider you as an international student if you don't have a greencard.</p>
<p>Again, as this question has been asked time and time again, you will be in the subcommittee where your high school is geographically located. Because Harvard is need-blind for ALL of its applicants, it doesn't need to differentiate between internationals and U.S. citizens. Likewise, a U.S. citizen who is going to school in Europe will be in the international subcommittee.</p>
<p>xjayz - If Harvard don't differentiate between internationals and US citizens, why then do internationals only account for less than 10% of the entire class?</p>
<p>they are not need blind for international students. or maybe it was another college, cant remember</p>
<p>It is need-blind for international students. Perhaps fewer international students apply, considering they still need to fulfill the same requirements as U.S. students (SAT Is and SAT IIs, for one). Check The Crimson's Commencement article on Robin Worth, the director for international admissions. It makes a comment on how Harvard's undergraduate international population has actually gone up whereas others have gone down!</p>
<p>Hmm I find it hard to believe that there are more applicants from America than from the rest of the world put together (in particular Canada, UK and Asia).</p>
<p>You'd be surprised.</p>
<p>ohh there def. are!!!! in any major college or university it will be like that. Despite most people in the world certainly recognizing the value and prestige that several schools in the US offer, there are a lot of things stopping kids from even applying. I live in Brazil, and people are soo amazed with me going to the US for college, yet few realize that it wouldn't have been so difficult or costly for them to do so as well.</p>
<p>Actually, I heard every university, yes, including Harvard, differenciates b/t int'l and greencard/citizen.
This way, even though you've lived here for years, if you don't have green card, you will still fall into the same pool that has all other pep from all around the world.
This is true considering that they also provide us with the stats about "international acceptance rate", which is computed based on how many pep actually and how many pep get in.
As far as I remember, the citizen/green card acceptance rate is around 9-10% and the int'l acceptance rate is below 5%.
This tells us that it really IS hard to get in as an int'l regardless of the number of people applying</p>
<p>People will believe what they want to hear. I have been working as a student representative for Harvard College Admissions for a year now (just like saxfreq) and I think I might know the process a bit better than you do as speculating high school students, though I have no say in the admissions decisions, I definitely know how it works.</p>
<p>As I have stated time and time again on this forum, Harvard DOES NOT differentiate among green cards, U.S. citizens, illegal aliens and international students (and whatever else you can think of). You are in the subcommittee based on where your high school is. For example, even if you live in England but you went to a boarding school like Andover, your application would be in the subcommittee that Andover is in. Likewise, if you are a U.S. citizen that went to an international school in Belgium, like one student that I know here, then you would be in the International subcommittee. This is sustainable thanks to our wonderful financial aid budget, which is going to be approximately $91 million this upcoming 2006-2007 school year - unparalleled by any other institution.</p>
<p>I just can't see someone who has lived in the U.S. for 10-15 years but without a greencard being counted in similar light to someone applying from a different country. </p>
<p>There must be a reason why the common app asks for the number of years the student's been in the U.S. if they do not have a green card.</p>
<p>The Common Application is not created by Harvard. Several schools do differentiate among green card holders, U.S. citizens and international students. Harvard ain't one of them.</p>
<p>xjayz - when the subcommittees have made their decisions, what then happens? Surely it goes to the next level where everyone meets to discuss applications in the bigger picture.. and that would be when they 'craft' their class?</p>
<p>You see, the reason I'm pretty sure that some places differentiate and some don't is because in the UK, if you look at Oxbridge and LSE, Oxbridge have less than 10% internationals and are the richest universities, while LSE has a huuuuge proportion of internationals there. All three are top class institutions, but the fact that LSE has more internationals surely points to their admissions policies and <em>not</em> to the standard of international applicants. </p>
<p>Likewise with Harvard. Why would they have a lower acceptance rate for internationals? Are the international applicants automatically of a lower standard than the American ones?</p>
<p>The Ace is Back: It is common knowledge that Oxford/Cambridge are just really hard to get into from outside the United Kingdom. I know of two people who were accepted from Stuyvesant HS (I didn't go there myself, but I am from NY), but they had perfect scores across the board with nearly 100 averages (out of a perfect 100), which is just hard to do. </p>
<p>Harvard prides itself on its ability to be need-blind for all of its applicants, unlike most other colleges. It's something that we love to say in information sessions, tours, and when I went student recruiting back in my home area, that's what I said to the kids who attended my sessions as well - that it didn't matter if you were an illegal alien (which a lot of students in the NYC public school system are), U.S. citizen, green card holder, whatever - your admissions decision will be based solely on your application.</p>
<p>What zzibuya said in his (or her) post is just pure speculation. You will have an equal chance just like everyone else in the admissions process. Just put your best foot forward in the process - none of us expected to get in in the first place, and we were definitely realistic in our college application choices. </p>
<p>Best of luck to you this admissions cycle.</p>
<p>I will be so MUCH more relieved if xjayz's words are true bc i don't have a green card myself.
I know Harvard officially states that it is need-blind for all students, but there are many cases that "official" statements and the reality differ to some degress. ANd just that stats about the lower int'l acceptance rate... THat really worried me.
However, it seems like xjayz knows what he is talking about.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your reply, :)</p>
<p>xjayz - thanks</p>
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<p>stats about the lower int'l acceptance rate</p>
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<p>International students, as a group, are less well informed about the process than American high schoolers. They may be less likely to realize that they are not competitive applicants. It's also a lot harder to write a fabulous essay and master the SAT and so forth if English is your second or third language.</p>