<p>hmm, so these uni claim that they are need blind even to us intels rite?? is it really true? cos some of the intels on CC are recieving wonderful aids from them but some ppl also say that even for these schools, u may screw your chances by asking for aid... :(</p>
<p>a junior of mine wants to apply to us as well and wnats to apply ED [or was it EA which was binding?] and i suggested he apply EA/D [the binding one] to the colleges which will def give him and rest apply as regular....</p>
<p>Well, from Romania, Harvard accepted about 2% of its applicants, in the RD round. For US applicants Harvard had a 9% acceptance rate. Take into account that 99.9% of Romanian applicants ask for aid, and a lot of it. Sure, someone could say that they weren't qualified, and I do not have stats on this, although people usually apply to Harvard from here only when they have something extraordinary under their belt - like a prize in an International Olympiad, or at least a national one.
On the other hand, I do not know if this is an istitutional policy of Harvard towards internationals, and I would not venture to surmise about it.</p>
<p>HYP are TOTALLY need-blind for intels. I was accepted by all three and got a full ride. Besides, while evaluating your app, they don't give a damn whether you can pay or not. These schools are so rich that they can afford to give full rides to all of its admitted students.
The other ivies+Stanford are not need-blind, and if you apply for aid there you automatically place yourslef in a more competitive applicant pool. Then even if they admit you, they won't always meet your whole need. For example, I was admitted by Columbia, but their fin aid award would never allow me to attend.
In short-if you apply for aid at HYP, you will not screw yourself, but if you apply for aid at the rest, you will!!!</p>
<p>MIT is need-blind. at least its website says so.</p>
<p>How about us who may not have a shot at HYP? Is it either be competitive enough to get into there, or don't go to the US at all?</p>
<p>johnleemk: I'm no expert at this but there are several universities that provide a lot in scholarships to international students. Many also give finanical aid but you shouldn't really expect your full need to be met. Finaid is usually limited and very competitive. You are expected to contribute sth, and the more you can contribute the better your chances.
It's best to approach universities individually and ask about their policies regarding aid for international students. You cannot generalize. just my 2 cents</p>
<p>Don't believe totally in what colleges declare in their policies. Many colleges say they don't have quota, but actually they do. Even need blind schools favor those who can pay more, which is known in an inner admission circle.</p>
<p>williamzhang: perhaps you are right. but if we are not to believe in colleges' declared policies, where do we go to find that information? Not everyone has connections with the 'inner admission circle'.</p>
<p>just wanted to add that williams and middlebury are also need-blind for intels.</p>
<p>thnx ppl....grt help :)</p>
<p>I just wonder if they treat Canadian students the same as US apps</p>
<p>You can be naive and believe in exactly what the colleges say (stuff like "we're completely need blind; we make no distinction between the common app and our own application; it does not matter significantly if you don't have an interview" etc...) or be realistic and see through all the BS.</p>
<p>Very few colleges are needblind for internationals in admissions. Those who specifically say they are, pretty much are. However, that does not mean that they are blind to other things in the admissions process, such as how many they take from a country and what you have to offer. So it is not going to be easy sailing even with need blind admissions.</p>
<p>i am suggesting to my junior to app,y ED/EA[the binding one] to need blind and rest as RD...so If he manages to get accpeted by his ED/EA college, he will have to accept it and he wont have to worry abt money..rite?? wat do u all think???</p>
<p>hmmm....first of all, he/she would have to apply to a need blind, 100% need met college. That is because there are institutions that admit internationals regardless of need, but do not meet 100% of their need - a very known example would be Cornell.
Secondly, there could be issues when applying even to a need blind college that meets 100% of need, because the package could be poor qualitatively - that is, they could make you take out very much in loans. I suppose this does not happen at HYP or Williams, but Middlebury for instance, is rumored to be very stingy (I applied there EDII, though, and was luckily deferred->rejected:)).
Another thing, people's experience with ED differ a lot, I know, but for me the defferal was a very depressing thing. Sure, it won't happen to you, because they'll acept you. Sure, even if it does happen, you won't give a damn. But, guess what - when that thin envelope comes in December, hell will break loose. I would suggest thinking a lot before applying ED and also researching the college's particular policy towards ED intels, because they might deffer all those requesting FinAid.</p>
<p>hey, on a sidenote, when applying to US unis, should u let them know that it's likely that you'll get a scholarship?
Most scholarships in singapore cover the entire tuition fee so effectively u wont need any aid from the sch, but the scholarship offers are only made earliest in March, which is way later than the application deadline. It's hard enough to get accepted at top unis being an international student without the aid issue.</p>
<p>I think they ask you on the International Student Financial Aid Application about any scholarships to which you have applied and the answer date. You should definitely let them know, it can improve your chances. I am not sure about this but I think getting the scholarship could overturn a rejection-decision, if it was based on financial grounds only. Deffinitely apply to Cornell - they may not give you aid if they accept you, but you would still have the scholarship to pay for it all.</p>
<p>harvard, princeton, and i think yale too consider canadians in the same applicant pool, so it's just as competitive if you were an american. for MIT they put canadians in the intl pool, so it's very very competitive, around 5% acceptance rate (slightly less last year) for internationals. even though this is a HYPM thread, stanford and caltech i believe put you into a general applicant pool, but your financial situtaion is taken into consideration when they extend offers of admission. basically, if you have applicant A and B who are identical, but A has more money and can afford paying a greater portion to go to stanford, say, will get accepted over B. there's a guy who applied to stanford as an international and b/c of this decided to take on the entire $40000+ cost to maximize his chances of getting in. he got in, but now a whopping $160000+ in debt over 4 years, yikes! caltech and stanford suck that way, but if you can afford paying a nice amount towards the cost of going to either of them, definitely apply (apply either way, just the thing is they have a fixed amount of money they put aside that's predetermined, and when they run out of funds to disburse, well that's it then for financial aid applicants :(</p>
<p>What if sb applies ED, gets accepted but is not offered the necessary financial aid? Is that person still obliged to go to that college no matter what, or can he/she apply RD to other colleges citing financial restriction as the reason for not accepting place at the ED college?</p>