LEP denial? is this even right?

Hello everyone,

Sorry for it being so long to explain my scenario.

Before I begin, I want to tell you a little bit of my background. I am a transfer college student who received a Bioengineering associate degree, unfortunately I could not do much with it. So I decided to enroll in the engineering school at University of Maryland (UMD). I did not get accepted, but I was placed into the LTSC program because of my 2.8 GPA and one a course grade (I will describe later). The LTSC program is mainly for student who did not declare a major, lets you take courses at UMD, and provide academic advising.

On orientation day (July 2013), I was assigned to a counselor who would advise me. He recommended two options, my options wore I can get into the engineering program but I have to fulfill some requirements OR declare Biochemistry since I was already eligible. As I was very serious and passionate about the Bioengineering program, I choose the first option; that is to spend a couple of semesters to fulfill the additional requirements for the Bioengineering program. So he printed out a sheet for the Engineering Limited Enrollment Program requirements (LEP) (Version 1.10.12), and advised me a way to get into the engineering program.

These are the requirements for Engineering LEP (Version 1.10.12):

  • Completion of Fundamental Studies English
  • Completion of MATH 141 (Calculus II) with min of B-
  • Completion of PHYS 161 (Physics I) wit min of B-
  • Completion of CHEM 113 (Chemistry II), CHEM 135 or CHEM 271 with min of C-
  • Completion of BIOE 120 with min of B-
  • A minimum grade point average of 3.0 GPA in all courses taking in all institution.
  • “Only one ‘gateway’ or performance review course may be repeated to earn the required grade and that course may only be repeated once.”

First, since my GPA was low (2.8), he calculated metrics of how many credits I needed to get my GPA higher (Example: 15 credits with a 4.0 GPA, 20 credits with a 3.75 GPA, 30 credits with a 3.5 GPA and etc.). Second, since I already completed CHEM 271 (Chemistry II in Montgomery College where I received a D (there is a story behind of me receiving this) then I retook it and received an A and PHYS 161 where I got a C. My advisor told me since I needed to get a min of B- in PHYS 161, but retaking PHYS 161 would violate the LEP repeat violation. So to circumvent this gateway repeat rule I would have to take CHEM 135 and get a min of B- (that way it overwrites the CHEM rules), take PHYS 161 and get a min of B-, lastly since Montgomery college did not offer BIOE120 I would have to take it and receive a min of B-.
With this, I first began by raising my GPA up to a 3.0. Completing all my CORE requirements and taking courses I was only able to register for just to get my GPA up (in LTSC, I was given access to limited courses since I did not declare a major). I managed to get a 3.05 GPA, B- in CHEM 135, B+ in BIOE 120, and a B in PHYS 161. Keep in mind, every semester I had a mandatory meeting with an academic advisor to go over my academic progress (so within the year and a half I meet with them about a minimum of 6+ times). Recently, my academic advisor reviewed everything and I had the “go” to apply for LEP (also keep in mind I can apply for LEP once).

As excited as I was and knowing my hard work finally paid off, I did not think twice I would get denied. About two weeks later, I received an email saying I did not get accepted to the program. In the email it said I did not meet the “minimum requirements.” Right away, I contacted multiple persons to figure out what is going on and what requirements I failed to meet. Waiting a couple of days for responses, they told me I needed to write an appeal but did not tell me what I requirements I did not meet. I wrote the appeal and explained my scenario. I also did some research on what could have gotten wrong, the only thing I found was on the LEP web page they updated the Engineering LEP requirements. I matched up every word on the LEP requirements list (Version 1.10.12) I was given on orientation, and the same one my consolers and I were following to the new one (Version 10.17.14). The only thing was different now was they added “Only one gateway or performance review course may be repeated to earn the required grade and that course may only be repeated once. When more than one course can satisfy a gateway requirement, taking a second course from the list will count as a repeat.”
I was devastated, why all of a sudden I was based off a new requirements when I was originally following one almost a year now? And the funny part of this is, if you go to http://www.lep.umd.edu/ web page and take a look at all the other programs except for communication it sates “Only one gateway or performance review course may be repeated to earn the required grade and that course may only be repeated once. When more than one course can satisfy a gateway requirement, taking a second course from the list will count as a repeat. This policy will be in effect for all students who first matriculated at the University of Maryland in Spring 2015 or later.” I do not understand how in other LEP programs, the students who first matriculated at UMD in spring 2015 or later wore exempts from this requirements.

Rather than me relying on the appeal I manage to get in hold and meet the person in charge of the engineering LEP (Associate Dean of the Clark School of Engineering). I explained my situation about the reason why my GPA was a 2.8 and I managed to get it up to a 3.05 along with the repeat scenario. He said he will look at it and contact me in a few days, he did not seem interested at all (looked like he was in a rush and that I was wasting his time speaking to him). After awaiting, I get an email from the engineering undergraduate advising saying Associate Dean of the Clark School of Engineering made the decision that he is not going to grant me admissions and to look at other majors. I contacted the engineering undergraduate advising person to get a clear understanding of why I did not get accepted, she said my “performance was not at the required level.” I did not understand what she meant by that other than a slap in the face saying my year and a half academic adversity was for nothing. So I contacted her to get more detail on what she meant by my “performance was not at the required level.” And she told me to contact the Dean of the Clark School of Engineering again for more information. So I did and this is what he said “I am happy to meet and talk with you but I am not sure what good it would do.”

Now I am sitting here, thinking to myself “what good it would do” had to be the biggest disappointment statement in my academic carrier. I spent a year and a half fulfilling all the requirements I was told, taking classes just for the Bioengineering all meant nothing, not to mention investing all my time and money the past year and a half to be in this program for nothing. Now I am left with the closest major which is declaring biology or biochemistry, but due to the big differences in the majors I am pretty much in sophomore status. I managed to talk to my counselor in regards to this, she also did not understand why I was denied. So she contacted her director to talk to the engineering department and got to me saying “ENGR has not changed their decision.”

I am just disappointed, do you guys recommend anything else that is close to bioengineering? As you can see the fany tips would be helpful. Also if you had the time to read this, thank you for your time. God bless, have a nice day!

@screenmk2015‌ I’m sorry for your situation. Maybe @da6onet‌ can shed some light on this.

@‌screenmk2015 I wonder if you looked at procedure for filing grievance. You may have issue with adviser as well - did Letters & sciences give incorrect advice?

http://www.president.umd.edu/policies/docs/v-100a.pdf

Hello,

Thank you for the replies! I really appreciate it, you do not understand how thankful I am.

@terpmom7 Should I contact @da6onet for advice?

@Hippobirdy I went ahead and read the UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE. I will contact both departments again in regards to an informal grievance. I am usually not the complaint type, but because of this distress it caused me, I guess I have to do it.
Also, just in case for the future when I do have have to write a formal grievance who should I address it to? Because I feel like multiple departments and individuals are in this act of wrong.

@screenmk2015‌ i just thought that @da6onet‌ might have some advice for you. In rereading the posts though, I realized that da6onet’s situation was reversed… didn’t receive admission to the university, but had the support of the folks at Clark.
Good luck with your situation.

@screenmk2015,
I am unclear about a couple things:

  1. You retook a class that later Clark Engineering guidelines did not allow.
  2. Your performance is not good enough.

So for 1., I wonder if there was an error by your advisor. Could you be grandfathered in under the guidelines given by the adviser in Letters and Sciences?

And, for 2., I wonder if Clark Engineering is so competitive, that you were denied due to earlier grades and many more qualified transfers competing against you… I wonder if Clark would deny you even if you hadn’t retaken the class.

I think for 1., an informal grievance against LTSC could at least give you a chance. If the main error is by the LTSC adviser, it could be corrected for future students, too.

If 2., Clark Engineering would still say your performance isn’t good enough even if they allow the class you retook, then, I don’t think a grievance will help you.

Does Clark Engineering put its answer in writing as to why you are denied bioengineering?

You may need to look at cell biology, computational biology.

@terpmom7 wow @da6onet story was incredibly amazing.
I am very happy for a student like him to get accepted and showing UMD that we are all humans. We are all capable of doing something truly amazing. I found this quote very powerful “sometimes we are looked at as stats rather than a human being,” something I find very true. His story is very motivational and stories like that is something I love hearing!

@hippobirdy I am sorry how I portrayed my story, some of the things can get a little confusing.

  1. For any internal or external transfer student who meets LEP requirements are enrolled in the program guaranteed. My story is, I fail to meet the requirements of my GPA originally, I had an 2.8 Cumulative GPA and retook CHEM 271 (D to a A). But I took PHYS 161 (received a C), but I was advised to retake it again and get a B. Even though retaking PHYS 161 would count as my second repeat, my advisor said me taking CHEM 135 would overwrite my CHEM credit. In other words, it will make it look like PHYS was my only repeat, with this in mind I met all requirements for LEP. But recently on October 17 2014, LEP decided to update their requirements. The update pretty much had it where taking a similar class from the list of classes such as CHEM 135, CHEM 271 or CHEM 113 would count as a another attempt as well as my CHEM 271 being counted.
  2. "Your performance is not good enough." is what the Engineering student factually said when I emailed her on why I was denied for the appeal. I was trying to get a good understanding on what that meant, but no clear answer. So I contacted the Associate Dean (the person in charge of the acceptance) to meet in person and what was the reason for my denial. Without giving me a clear answer his whole email response "I am happy to meet and talk with you but I am not sure what good it would do." I am planing to stop by his office this Monday.

I will update you guy! Once again thank you for everything!

I wonder if Clark followed their own procedures,
http://www.eng.umd.edu/advising/transfer-form-instructions

under Admissions Notification:
"
The Office of Undergraduate Admissions does not hold any applications for the next semester. If you miss the deadline, you will need to resubmit for the next deadline.
Admissions Notification

"Please allow a minimum of two weeks from the deadline for processing. You will be notified via email from the Office of Undergraduate Admissions regarding the decision. There are only two outcomes: admitted or denied.

Admitted Students - If you are admitted to Clark School, the instructions for changing your major will be outlined in your admission email.

Denied Students - If you are denied admission to the Clark School of Engineering, you will have the opportunity to appeal the admission decision to the Associate Dean of Engineering. The instructions for how to appeal will be outlined in your denial email. If you do not comply with the instructions, your appeal will not be taken into consideration."

@Hippobirdy‌

So I manage to get a hold of Dr. Fourney, after several times going to his office. After asking him couple of question he told me the reason why I was rejected of my appeal was because of my grades. Even though my grades are all A’s and B’s the last year or so and I have a 3.04 GPA he based my grades off the classes I did not do well on. He based his rejection based on a projection he did that I “would not do good in the engineering program.” Pretty messed up, if you say so.

Also as far as Clark following their own procedures: Dr. Fourney told me no it is all but based of LEP requirements. As long as you meet the LEP requirements you are allowed in the program.

The funny part is when I talked to my advisor, she told me they been telling all their students the same thing. As far as a way around the LEP requirements. I wonder how many other students spend resource and time to find out they wore told one thing but did not keep their promises.

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any advice for @screenmk2015 ?
i don’t know what to suggest.

Wow I am not sure I even understand all the details…I still can’t get past how an adviser would say it is possible to circumvent the LEP gateway rules. That does not make sense to me and would have immediately raised a red flag for me.

Fyi, even students formally in the engineering program have rules to follow and their performance is reviewed at periodic intervals to determine if they can maintain their “status” as engineering students. These performance reviews are referred to as “benchmarks.” If a student’s performance is not found to be satisfactory, even after spending two years as an engineering student, they can still be dropped from engineering …

“60 Credit Benchmark/2nd Benchmark Review: This review, unlike the 45 Credit Benchmark Review varies for each engineering student, based on their major. Students who do not pass the review can be asked to change their major out of engineering.”

I understand that bioengineering is your preference but is there that big a difference (vis a vis class requirements) at this stage of the game that it really is such a “waste of resources” to change to biochemistry? Frankly, from what I can see from the four year plan, all the engineering gateway requirements are things you need for this major anyway, so you haven’t lost any time or money for this track …not your first choice of course but not a bad alternative, is it?