Let's Talk About Race Some More, Because That's Always Fun

[kldaace]

<p>@Inkling</p>

<p>I guess our experiences are all different u_u.</p>

[PiperXP]

<p>I think CC has a high tendency towards a certain kind of experience that is not representative at all.</p>

<p>It’s not hard to guess why this situation exists >.<</p>

[arrrrr]

<p>Fourth geomom. Thanks (even though I’ve just been observing), especially for putting up with all this complaining. I’m a low-income asian reject who still believes in the system!</p>

[dawncoming]

<h2>$<em>&$</em>@#%&@<em>$</em>@@%<em>$#@^</em></h2>

[PiperXP]

<p>@ dawncoming - When did I say that every rejected student’s stats are ■■■■■■…?</p>

<p>I find it funny that you say I’ve exaggerated when it seems you’ve misguidedly extrapolated quite a bit.</p>

[rollingonddubs]

<p>MITChris, while we’re on the topic of race, do you think you could clarify how you deal with biracial people when calculating your admissions statistics? I am half white and half asian, and some people say oh no, that’s extra bad for admissions, and some people say the two “negatives” multiply to a positive… okay they don’t say that but I am curious.</p>

[johnk4521]

<p>Please see the book written by Mr. Daniel Golden, The Price of Admission: How America’s Ruling Class Buys Its Way into Elite Colleges – and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates.</p>

<p>" “The difference is not 2400 and 2200, rather is 2400 and around 1800-1900.”</p>

<p>johnk4521; source please. Is this three applicants who post on cc, or a statistically significant piece of data?
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[MITChris]

<p>@all thanking me - </p>

<p>thank YOU</p>

[MITChris]

<p>@rollingonddubs - </p>

<p>Being white or asian is not a negative, and no, neither is being white and asian. </p>

<p>@ johnk4521 - </p>

<p>Those statistics may be in that book but they are not representative of MIT’s undergraduate URMs.</p>

[Shrinkrap]

<p>If you are suggesting average scores are 2400 for non-ORM’s, and 1800-1900 for URM’s I can’t think of where that might be.I’ll check out the book. A page number would be good.</p>

[Starbuck11]

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I don’t know why people think getting a 2400 on the SAT is so easy. If the SAT is such an easy test, why doesn’t everyone just prepare for it and get a perfect or near-perfect score? There is a huge difference between 2400 and 2390. Why do you think I retook it? It took several months of practice before I got from the 2330-2380 range to hitting 2400’s.</p>

<p>It takes brains to make it into the 2200-2300 range. But it takes a tremendous amount of mental stamina, precision, and thoroughness to get a perfect score. Try moving from getting an A in a class to getting every single question right, and you’ll be able to see the difference in required effort and ability.

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<p>That is horrendously moronic. It takes LUCK to get a perfect score, because getting one or two questions wrong only means a second of a blip in thinking or an extremely subtle mistake. These kinds of mistakes are not indicative of anything in terms of test-taking ability. They’re just chance.</p>

[Starbuck11]

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I congratulate those accepted, but I must also extend my condolences to those very well-qualified individuals who were curiously waitlisted or denied.

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<p>Curiously? How can you say that? You will never know every intricacy of people’s applications and so you can never know why MIT took one applicant over another. Period.</p>

[PiperXP]

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If you are suggesting average scores are 2200-2400 for non-ORM’s, and 1800-1900 for URM’s I can’t think of where that might be.

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<p>Since it seems relevant, I’m going to bring up a quote from this article again:</p>

<p>[AN</a> INSIDE LOOK AT MIT ADMISSIONS: A student’s own initiative takes top priority in selection process - The Tech](<a href=“http://tech.mit.edu/V119/N13/admissions.13f.html]AN”>http://tech.mit.edu/V119/N13/admissions.13f.html)</p>

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“The mean SAT scores of our minority undergraduate students are higher than the mean SAT’s for all of the students enrolled in the Ivy League. In short, these students are the best in the U.S.”

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[rollingonddubs]

<p>(To MITChris’s response) Yes, but when calculating the statistics for each class (ie. you had the statistics for the admitted class of 2014 as being 30% asian and 36% caucasian), I was just wondering if I counted as half a person in each… or if a computer calculated the statistics, maybe it would count me as one person in each. I know it’s not that important, but it’s just something I like to think about because I’m weird.</p>

[MITChris]

<p>@rollingondubs - </p>

<p>Not sure, to be honest!</p>

[MITChris]

<p>@Handala - </p>

<p>Listing extra ECAs in a resume is not looked upon unfavorably. Many people do it. </p>

<p>He should’ve still filled out the main ECA form, but that would not have been the difference between an accept or reject for him.</p>

[mifune]

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It takes LUCK to get a perfect score

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<p>I don’t see how you can disagree with his basic point regarding the difficulty of achieving a perfect score. While there are many variables that may influence an SAT score, there are those who have the capability of consistently scoring a 2400. </p>

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Curiously? How can you say that?

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<p>My point is that there were many high-achieving, meritorious individuals who were either waitlisted or denied. For many, there was not too much more that they could have done to display additional merit. Sure, their essays and recommendations could have been subpar, but I find that to be highly unlikely.</p>

[christiansoldier]

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That is horrendously moronic. It takes LUCK to get a perfect score, because getting one or two questions wrong only means a second of a blip in thinking or an extremely subtle mistake. These kinds of mistakes are not indicative of anything in terms of test-taking ability. They’re just chance.

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<p>Do you have any idea how difficult it is to maintain laser-like focus for five hours? Do you know how tough it is to study for a test as big and nebulous as the SAT so well that you don’t even make an extremely subtle mistake?</p>

<p>And the SAT is something everybody has to take. It’s not like some surprise test that comes out of nowhere. If you don’t want to do absolutely the best you can, I feel like you ought to take more pride in yourself.</p>

[goblue93]

<p>I hope I’m wrong but I really believe there is racial discrimination going on.
Perfect 2400 SATI/ 800 in all 3 SATIIs, 240 PSAT, all 5 in 9 AP classes till junior year. 5 more AP in senior year, lots of national/state awards and leadership/EC/volunteering.
rejected.</p>

[goblue93]

<p>^I don’t believe this is true. There are only 290 2400 in the country and MIT enrolls 1000.</p>