<p>I understand that the "Joint Statement for Candidates on Common Ivy Group Admission Procedure" <a href="http://www.princeton.edu/admission/pdfs/0708_ivy.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.princeton.edu/admission/pdfs/0708_ivy.pdf</a> allows for likely letters from any of the Ivy members, but I thought that LLs were most commonly used by Harvard and Princeton as the two Ivy schools who don't have ED programs. Clearly H and P would risk losing recruits to other schools' ED programs if their recruits were forced to wait until the common notification date for results, but the other Ivies can offer their recruits ED (or SCEA in the case of Yale).</p>
<p>So, my question is: Do the non HP Ivies use LLs heavily, or do they just encourage their applicants to apply under their early programs?</p>
<p>I was wondering this as well. I think they use LLs for recruits who missed the early rounds for whatever reason but want to hear back from admissions a lot sooner than RD? Just an idea.</p>
<p>I can say with a good bit of confidence that LLs are starting to be offered right now at non-HP ivies…waiting for ED/SCEA results may still feel too “risky” when one could get a LL before that from H or P. So, yes, other ivies offer LLs starting today!</p>
<p>The official acceptance letters for the ED EA round don’t arrive until December. Without the LL, an early Ivy applicant would wait in a state of near panic until then, having halted their recruiting activities, and probably declining other LL offers, since it is highly unusual to be offered one without a commensurate promise to attend. LL’s allow all the Ivies to fill rosters at about the same time, no matter what their application decision options might be.</p>
<p>d had LL offers in early October. and for my d the coaches made LL offers contingent on “committing” to them. such as tell me we’re your 1st choice and your committed and i’ll email a scanned copy of the LL to you now:)</p>
<p>@pacheight - so are you saying a full application had been submitted, admissions had issued a LL, and the coach had it in their power to issue or withhold the LL based on applicant’s commitment?</p>
<p>sherpa: ahh, now I’m not so sure, it’s been 12 months.</p>
<p>i know the app was never done because she declined that ivy, but i also distinctly remember the LL “promise” if you commit. and the coach had assurance from admissions. but maybe the email the LL over part was after the app is processed. Probably so, right? </p>
<p>now, the no guarantee thing, is always part of the conversation, but the you will get a LL is also part of it. For my d she had several coaches communicate in this duality way.</p>
<p>but are LL’s being offered now, I guess contingent on apps getting in, yes!</p>
<p>Sherpa - this may be a small distinction, but in our experience, the coaches weren’t willing to request the LL from admissions without the athlete’s commitment to the school (rather than the coach holding back on an already issued LL). Although as Pacheight said above, the coach had assurance from admissions that a LL was possible prior to the athlete’s commitment. </p>
<p>And definitely Ivy’s other than H & P rely on the use of LL’s.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for the input and clarifications. I agree that the coaches aren’t likely to submit a LL request without an athlete’s commitment, but I try to be careful that we not give recruits the false info that coaches grant LLs, you can get a LL before you submit your app, etc.</p>
<p>As for my original question, thanks, this all makes sense, and I’m glad to hear that the ED and SCEA Ivies are utilizing LLs to manage the process. I was only looking at it from the applicants’ perspective, but I can see that LLs offer the ED Ivies a great way to compete with LOI schools for the athletes they want.</p>
<p>I committed to a non-HYP Ivy recently and received notification that my letter was mailed out yesterday. I know two other recruits in the same situation (same school). I think in some aspects, it comes down to, “well, H and P recruits find out via likely letter in October, so we should send likelies then too, so we don’t lose recruits to those schools”. Sorta ironic if you ask me. But I’m not complaining!</p>