Likes and dislikes of UCBerkeley

<p>i guess i’ll play…</p>

<p>-hobos
-hippies
-druggies
-smokers
-thugs
-telegraph
-protests
-politics
-ugly buildings
-crowed lecture hall
-crazies that shout “The end of the world is coming mann, you’ve been warned!” while waiting at Jamba for my Mango-A-Go-Go
-the overcompensation for nerdyness in high school
-the fact that every English professor dresses like a Physics professor and that every Physics professor dresses like an Afghani refugee
-waitlists
-telebears
-bspace (it’s not bad but it’s far from good)
-departments posting broken links
-the lack of intelligence I was expecting from my peers
-the fear of getting hit by a car, bike, or earthquake
-the starving hobos that walk around with starving dogs
-the terrible options for transportation
-the fact that you can see San Fransisco from Berkeley but it takes you 1 hour 30 minutes to actually get there
-peoples park
-everyone who doesn’t live in California thinks that UC Merced is a prestigious satellite campus of UC Berkeley that Michelle Obama gave a speech at
-primentel hall at 8:00 in the morning
-primentel hall at 6:00 at night
-the unhelpfulness of the administrative faculty
-counselors who tell you to talk to your major adviser
-major advisers who tell you to talk to your counselor
-the 20th century computers in the library
-CARS
-BART
-DARS
-pre-med gunners
-art history majors
-the fact that it costs almost as much to go to a private school but with double the students, half the talent, a quarter of the opportunities, and triple the work
-triple the work for 20% less GPA
-Mark G. Yudof
-dorms that are comparable to prison cells
-rent is expensive and buildings in the area are old and ugly
-hobos going through your trash
-the absence of laughter and joy (probably left around the same time William Hung did)
-the only way to enjoy yourself is by intoxication
-the weather
-everyone seems to be in a rush (probably to go home and get hammered)
-hobos that scream at you
-the unhelpful guy that works at the career center
-the people who work at the career center giving “career advice”</p>

<p>Solution:</p>

<p>Go to UCLA or a private.</p>

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<p>This. I can’t afford to get anything less than an A in pretty much any science class at this point thanks to a rather unpleasant experience in chem last semester, and that’s the TINIEST bit stressful, BUT I’m loving every second that doesn’t involve looking for internships or pulling an all-nighter for a paper.</p>

<p>@anonymousername:
do you really hate Cal that much? I am simply shocked.
I don’t know much since I didn’t go to other schools, but there are plenty of smart peers in Cal if you talk to other people in class. Besides, some of the problems like crowded lecture hall and painful waitlist-process are inherent ones as a public university and i’m pretty sure private schools have others problems that we don’t have such as lack of diverse classes and groups.</p>

<p>I thought it would be a joke list, but I agree with almost everything on anon’s list.</p>

<p>anonymousername keeps it real:</p>

<p>-the absence of laughter and joy - most true of 'em all</p>

<p>i assume that ucla would be similar to cal anyway except for the better environment.</p>

<p>I would have to say that list is pretty accurate.</p>

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What is the deal with art history majors?
In what ways do people overcompensate for their nerdyness?
Just wondering…</p>

<p>You’re telling me you’ve never seen the drunk kids who can’t hold their alcohol and start puking all over the floors? :O</p>

<p>I think that has more to do with kids who have been under mommy and daddy’s thumb their whole life and go totally ape **** when they get a little bit of freedom.</p>

<p>One of the worst things I ever heard was at the Asian Ghetto, probably my next to last semester, this kid, who was obviously a nerd and probably got the crap kicked out of him regularly in high school, but was trying to look like a bad@$$, started spouting off about how he was at this awesome frat party at Sigma Pi, and had three Natty Lights and blacked out. I wanted to get up and smack him. I never drank before I went to college other than the wine my folks sometimes gave me. Took me awhile to get drunk even then. The point is: If you are that much of a tool and are so weak livered that you get black out drunk after three Natty Lights, you should head down to the Tang and get yourself checked out. Physically. I’m serious. That stuff is like water, even for absolute newbies.</p>

<p>I never really thought about it, but yeah anon’s point about everyone being in a rush is very true. People just seem to want to get school over with so they can get home or somewhere else not on campus. I think that contributes to the negative attitudes people have at Cal.</p>

<p>Also, I’m sick of people saying “Shoulda gone to UCLA!”. F that. They have the same bs that we do except in nicer weather.</p>

<p>I like Berkeley. On Friday I got to listen to a lecture given to a class of freshmen by a professor who led the Levee Investigation Team in determine the cause of Levee failure during Hurricane Katrina. The lecture was on the importance of learning from failure in engineering.</p>

<p>Berkeley has many unsavory characteristics and people, but there are a lot of incredibly talented people and great opportunities here as well.</p>

<p>In response to anonymoususername (and in defense of berkeley!!)</p>

<p>-hobos: aren’t that bad…it’s not like they’re on campus
-hippies: well, personal preference I like a liberal atmosphere :wink:
-druggies: there are druggies everywhere…
-smokers: there are smokers everywhere…
-thugs: dunno what this even means
-telegraph: I agree it’s gross, but I also think it has a certain charm.
-protests: well, depends on what side of the picket you are on…I kind of like being on a campus that has a student body that tries to be socially/politically aware and active
-politics: of…what
-ugly buildings: Berkeley also has some damn gorgeous buildings
-crowed lecture hall: agreed. but what can you do.
-crazies that shout “The end of the world is coming mann, you’ve been warned!” while waiting at Jamba for my Mango-A-Go-Go: this probably wouldn’t really bother me at all. I’d probably think it was funny.
-the overcompensation for nerdyness in high school: true.
-the fact that every English professor dresses like a Physics professor and that every Physics professor dresses like an Afghani refugee: why is this bad?
-waitlists: these do suck
-telebears: does suck
-bspace (it’s not bad but it’s far from good): is not bad at all…i never have problems with it
-departments posting broken links: this doesn’t happen to me that often.
-the lack of intelligence I was expecting from my peers: dude, there are dumb people everywhere. even private schools. even UCLA.
-the fear of getting hit by a car, bike, or earthquake: i do not worry about any of these ever
-the starving hobos that walk around with starving dogs: are harmless…
-the terrible options for transportation: berkeley’s actransit and bart can take you anywhere you need to go. These are not terrible options.
-the fact that you can see San Fransisco from Berkeley but it takes you 1 hour 30 minutes to actually get there: actually it takes half an hour. Take the F-transbay.
-peoples park: I live right next to it. It smells, but why does it really matter?
-everyone who doesn’t live in California thinks that UC Merced is a prestigious satellite campus of UC Berkeley that Michelle Obama gave a speech at: why does what other people think matter to you?
-primentel hall at 8:00 in the morning: don’t register for chem 3A or chem 3B then.
-primentel hall at 6:00 at night: see above
-the unhelpfulness of the administrative faculty: some are like that. others are extremely helpful.
-counselors who tell you to talk to your major adviser: L&S is huge…but there are other schools like CNR which are extremely helpful and always have time for you.
-major advisers who tell you to talk to your counselor: see above
-the 20th century computers in the library: bring your own laptop and stop complaining. or allow the school to raise your tuition so they can buy new ones…
-CARS: whatever
-BART: takes a long time but what do you expect from public transportation? It’s also super convenient.
-DARS
-pre-med gunners: deal with it, these are everywhere
-art history majors: they can be kind of pretentious…but they can be really interesting people to talk to. Open your mind to people of all types and backgrounds!
-the fact that it costs almost as much to go to a private school but with double the students, half the talent, a quarter of the opportunities, and triple the work: It does not cost nearly as much as a private school. It is like a quarter of the cost. So, for what you receive for the amount you pay <em>unless you’re out of state</em> i don’t think it’s bad at all. In fact, i’m extremely content.
-triple the work for 20% less GPA: maybe that’s just you…
-Mark G. Yudof: true i hate him
-dorms that are comparable to prison cells: i don’t think they’re that bad. It can actually be really fun when all your best friends are a few feet away from you. Also, compared to other school’s dorms ours are nice…
-rent is expensive and buildings in the area are old and ugly: rent is expensive, but just move farther away where it’s cheaper and the buildings are newer. I don’t think all the buildings are ugly…there’s a lot of diversity which gives them character. :slight_smile:
-hobos going through your trash: never happened to me
-the absence of laughter and joy (probably left around the same time William Hung did): maybe from where you’re standing. I meet happy people and laugh with others every day.
-the only way to enjoy yourself is by intoxication: this is definitely not true
-the weather: some people like it
-everyone seems to be in a rush (probably to go home and get hammered): true
-hobos that scream at you: true, but they’re harmless
-the unhelpful guy that works at the career center: true. but can’t you figure things out yourself anyway…?
-the people who work at the career center giving “career advice”: true</p>

<p>You can make Cal the best experience in your life. Get involved. There are so many things to do and places to go. Go out and make some friends. It isn’t always about studying and getting an A. Blow off some steam and live a little. My time at Cal was some of the best of my life. I am still involved in all things Cal…it was a great experience. Go Bears!!</p>

<p>I’ll take my swing at this and offer my experiences/explanations:</p>

<p>-hobos: I liked the colorful, by choice hobos like Huck Finn and the Crow Lady, but they disappeared at some point when I was at school and then we just got sad, creepy hobos. :frowning:
-hippies: I liked the real hippies who were laid back and could chew the fat without getting in your face about stuff and offer insightful views that were way out there. It was the fake hippies that ticked me off.
-druggies: Ya, they can be annoying, but most are harmless.
-smokers: If you hate smokers, I would advise against studying abroad or going anywhere outside of California. And as far as pot? I’d rather deal with a pothead than a drunk.
-thugs: Urban environment. Berkeley is sandwiched between Richmond and Oakland, consistently rated in the top 10 of Forbes’ Most Dangerous Cities in America. There will be many many thugs. Unless you are talking about middle-class suburban kids who think they’re thugs, then yes. They are really annoying.
-telegraph: Yea, Telegraph is kinda gross. But it’s a college town and I liked Fat Slice.
-protests: There’s plenty to protest right now. However, our protesters protest stupid stuff. Always have since the 1970s, always will.
-politics: It’s a liberal city. A very, very, off-kiltered, so far to the left, as to be off of the mainland liberal city, so yea, the politics can be pretty shrill and nonsensical. There are people there that make Obama look like a radical conservative on his most liberal days.
-ugly buildings: Evans Hall comes to mind. The stuff on the South End of Campus is beautiful though in its own way.
-crowed lecture hall: Big University.
-crazies that shout “The end of the world is coming mann, you’ve been warned!” while waiting at Jamba for my Mango-A-Go-Go: Well, 2012 is coming up…
-the overcompensation for nerdyness in high school: Wait… I thought this was just an extension of high school. You mean I actually went to college? Not some weird high school that grants Bachelors Degrees? How can you overcompensate for nerdyness in high school when you have a bunch of kids trying to recapture high school w/o supervision as ‘popular’ kids. Let’s face it. College has basically become Grades 13, 14, 15, 16. I hear Grad School is no better.</p>

<p>-the fact that every English professor dresses like a Physics professor and that every Physics professor dresses like an Afghani refugee: The physics professors are Afghani Refugees maybe? Okay, seriously, PC police, don’t jump down my throat, but there are a lot of foreigners in the science departments. Have a sense of humor. In perfect honesty, I did not notice a lot of this, but I enjoyed the ethnic flair some of my professors had. <em>Shrugs</em></p>

<p>-waitlists: Big school. Gonna happen. Go in with high standing and chances of this get greatly reduced. Unfortunately, you also start getting called about donations and graduation gifts sooner.
-telebears: Satan.
-bspace (it’s not bad but it’s far from good): No idea what this is. Might not have existed.
-departments posting broken links: I blame this on the staff. They really din’t give too craps about the students, let’s face it. And if you shot them back an email asking for the right one, they either ignored it or got back to you and told you to be ‘pro-active’ on your own time.
-the lack of intelligence I was expecting from my peers: I actually thought my high school peers were smarter than a lot of people I met at Berkeley. The disgustingly willful ignorance and close-mindedness of some of the students was actually quite appalling. There were a few bright minds there, but they were really difficult to find and often kept to themselves or tried to bring themselves down to the level of the plebes by drinking heavily.
-the fear of getting hit by a car, bike, or earthquake: I’m more scared of the rain than any of that and that’s not saying much, as I am not afraid of the rain at all. If getting hit by cars and bikes worries you, don’t do the ‘berkeley walk’. Earthquakes? You are gonna have to deal with the off chance of that regardless of where you are unless you want to move to a tectonically dead world like Mars. Even the moon has quakes.
-the starving hobos that walk around with starving dogs: Some of those dogs are treated better, better trained, and better fed than some of the dogs the rich have.
-the terrible options for transportation: Yea. AC transit sucks, Muni is a joke, and BART has serious issues. Owning a car is a huge pain in the butt.
-the fact that you can see San Fransisco from Berkeley but it takes you 1 hour 30 minutes to actually get there: Again, this has to do with BART and AC transit.
-peoples park: Yea. Despite what everyone might think, that is government property, and it used to be a decent park, but has long since become a creepy hobo camp. It’s urban blight. Not a park.
-everyone who doesn’t live in California thinks that UC Merced is a prestigious satellite campus of UC Berkeley that Michelle Obama gave a speech at: Hey, if I’d have taken Michelle Obama over Danny Glover at my Convocation. Danny Glover refused to come because of the UC Workers strike and crossing the picket line. The thing was, is the picket line was nowhere near the Greek Theater. I had to get a half-assed, but brilliant speech, from Birgeneau rather than a half-assed speech from Glover. I’d love to get a speaker at the school that isn’t an idealogue or who won’t get shouted down and abused by idealogues.
-primentel hall at 8:00 in the morning: It’s Pimer.
-primentel hall at 6:00 at night: See above.
-the unhelpfulness of the administrative faculty: Yea. You have to file an arcane, undecipherable bureaucratic form to get a class you need to graduate on time and the office closes in 10 minutes, meanwhile, one of the clerks sits there regailing her coworker of her exploits at the club the night before and are told to wait. Then the 10 minutes runs out, they close down and you have to spend another semester at Cal. Thank you, you lazy bureaucrats.
-counselors who tell you to talk to your major adviser: Yep. More lazy paper-pushers who don’t want to do their jobs and just pull a paycheck.
-major advisers who tell you to talk to your counselor: Oh yea. More lazy paper-pushers who don’t want to do their jobs and just pull a paycheck.
-the 20th century computers in the library: …it’s a state school. We’re lucky to even have microcomputers in the library. We’re lucky to have computers at all that aren’t punch-card mainframes.
-CARS: Never dealt with it. Was too rich for financial aid.
-BART: Crappy transit.
-DARS: No idea what that is, never dealt with it.
-pre-med gunners: They’re pre-meds. Best to just ignore them. They volunteered for a life of misery.
-art history majors: I dated one. Fiend in the sack but a headache and a half to be around. Though if you could find one that wasn’t too insufferable, you could have some interesting convos about art and culture.
-the fact that it costs almost as much to go to a private school but with double the students, half the talent, a quarter of the opportunities, and triple the work: And is an extension or redux of high school for a lot of them.</p>

<p>-triple the work for 20% less GPA: I know your pain and it makes me afraid to apply to graduate school because then I’ll get rejected from a comparable level school to my alma mater, forcing me into a lower tier one or not get admitted at all and get the same obnoxious lecture from my parents about how I should have studied harder and how I don’t like school… here’s my logic: Grad School wouldn’t even be an -option- if I didn’t like school. I wouldn’t have gone to Cal if I didn’t like school. I didn’t like -high school-. I didn’t even get to go to college. I went to a high school that grants bachelors.
-Mark G. Yudof: No idea who this guy is.
-dorms that are comparable to prison cells: The Units are unpleasant, but livable. Clark Kerr is nice, if you get decent roommates. I did not. Foothill is what it is, and Bowles/Stern – oh well. You’re a college student. Not a freakin’ heir. Get over it. They could be nicer, but that’s life.
-rent is expensive and buildings in the area are old and ugly: And the landlords are pretty uniformly crooked.
-hobos going through your trash: I like to see them as the recycling service.
-the absence of laughter and joy (probably left around the same time William Hung did): I got some funny stories about William Hung, but he’s actually a pretty nice kid. People seem to be too stressed out to enjoy themselves. If they aren’t, don’t get attached. They’ll fail out soon enough.
-the only way to enjoy yourself is by intoxication: Yea. I remember going out to Kips a few times and seeing several people sitting alone with two pitchers next to them. By the time I left, a third one was polished off and I had not seen a friend or drinking buddy in the entire time I was there. I, too, got smashed regularly because it was the only way to get rid of my throbbing stress headache and deaden the anxiety for awhile. Though the headache I would wake up with would be as bad or worse. :wink:
-the weather: I liked the weather. A touch cooler than SoCal and just a little bit rainier.
-everyone seems to be in a rush (probably to go home and get hammered): Yea, that’s actually pretty accurate. Yea, I was a Greek, but I remember people sitting there drinking heavily because they had a bad feeling about their mid-term. Then a few days later, they’d get it back and drink whether they did well or not. I think Cal has a secret substance abuse problem.
-hobos that scream at you: Ignored them for the most part.
-the unhelpful guy that works at the career center: I think I know who you are talking about. He was a serious d-bag.
-the people who work at the career center giving “career advice”: Yea. I got told that I had a “Golden Ticket” to any job I wanted because I have a “marketable” Cal Degree. Some career advice. :P</p>

<p>I agree with C, e10 is preety cool</p>

<p>Why i chose Cal?
Before deciding to come here, i wasnt too convinced. I had visited Cal for a weekend in April and i liked it. I wasnt blown away by the campus but i was sure that i wouldnt despise it. Anyways i chose Cal because it had a down to earth atmosphere and the prestige. Also im from LA which as a 6-8 hour drive. To some it might seem intimidating to go to college far away but it was a plus for me. Part of going to college is to experience something new. I knew if i stayed at UCLA my parents would have been in my dorm every weekend. I wanted to enjoy my independence and not rely on my parents. College is more of a transition into the real world and although sad but true, my parents arent always going to be there for me. So the whole away from home was the selling point.</p>

<p>Am i happy with my decision?
Yesss very much! Ive read many posts on this website on how the social life sucks hard but in my experience it was fun. To have a social life at Cal you must be willing to go out and find people that you like. Fortunately i struck gold because my floor was filled with interesting and fun people. It wasnt completely diverse but there were people from everywhere. My roomate was an international student, there were about 10 transfer students, a quarter of the floor was out of state, all races except for african americans (whats up with that?) but overall mostly everyone was awesome. We would hang out as a floor: have dinner, go to parties, go to SF and so on. I doubt other floors would do that so i guess if youre lucky and are paired up with fun dorm mates, it will be a blast. Personally i didnt hang out with them a much as my other dorm mates because i also made way to see my high school friends that also attend Cal. Yess im also lucky that two of my best friends attend Cal. Other than that the social life heavily depends on what type of people you meet and how outgoing you are. Academic wise, ive also read many posts on how difficult Cal is and i agree. Its hell especially for me since i came from a not so great high school. The engineering, business, econ, and premed majors are the worst because the classes they offer are extremely competitive. Im econ by the way. It also seems that the Cal forum is heavily infested by these people because i always read about the harsh curves. Not all classes have killer curves and not all majors are extremely difficult so dont think berkeley is a cut throat school. This does not mean that you can slackoff and ace classes. If your work hard it will pay off. The food selection outside the dining hall is pretty good. There is a large selection of ethnic restaurant scattered around Berkeley and im sure you will find somethin you like. Just dont expect to find any franchises besides subway and mcdonalds (which is like 10 blocks away). The party scene is also fun if youre into that Ive been to a few frat parties and they can get out of control. Who wouldnt go all out when there is free booze and plenty of men and women dancing and drinking? Overall i really like Berkeley and would never trade it for another school. Of course this all from personal experience. Having my two best friends from high school has also made it easier to enjoy Cal.</p>

<p>Things i dislike?
I think my biggest problem with berkeley are the bums that like hang around the city and peoples park. Not because they are rude (Never experienced but have heard other people) but because it really drags down the citys overall atmosphere. The bums give it a dirty feel and many girls are always concerned to walk alone. Then theres peoples park. Come on, its not even “peoples” park its more like bum park. I have never seen or heard any student use the park besides that one time the units sponsored the carnival. The school needs to reclaim that land (doesnt it belong to the school? Or they could easily use eminent domain) and build a plaza or more housing. I also dont like how classes are difficult. I do like the material that the professors present but it would help if the tests werent so difficult. For my econ final, we had three hours to finish (half of it was short answer questions and the other half was an essay) The three hours that were provided was not enough time to thoroughly think through every question. Also i think a large portion of the student body would agree that the libraries need opperate 24/7. You dont know how happy many of us would be if the library stayed open all night. I think if im paying 30k a year, the libraries should stay open all night. Dorm food can also be improved on. I enjoyed dorm food the first few weeks and then it became bland and sometimes impossible to eat. It seems like the leftovers from crossroads are sent to foothill the next day. Also late night needs healthier food but its understandable since people want their food done fast after those parties late at night. I also dislike how the dorms are not so great. It would be great if the school could demolish the regular dorms and build more spacious and modern dorm rooms. Basically the current state of the dorms are 15 tiny rooms with one window connected by a long narrow hall with outdated public style restroom. At least give us a well lit, properly drained, comfy toilet, sturdier bathroom. Ive also read about students experiences with the political side of the school but personally, i havent participated in anything political. There was a protest where 10 students were on top of wheeler hall. It was interesting but in no way did it affect me. People just need to learn to how to ignore things but dont get me wrong, im all for voicing your owb opinion. :)</p>

<p>But besides the cons, i feel like the pros outweigh them. Im not saying you will agree 100% with everything i posted but im just sharing my experiences and opinions. Maybe you will have it horrible or better than me but it truely depends on what you make of it. Just be very open/outgoing and you will enjoy it. Please ignore the grammar/ spelling mistakes. Its difficult to type from my iPhone :(</p>

<p>The SINGLE BIGGEST Crappy factor about Cal? It’s full of Californians. Get rid of them, and we fix every problem on anon’s list hahahah Other than that, I love this school, and it will open more doors for me than if I had attended the other schools I got accepted to</p>

<p>I’m kinda starting to get scared of the stuff I’ve read up here ^^^
I’ll be a freshman in Fall 2011 so I haven’t <em>officially</em> been to Cal, but I <em>have</em> been to CalSO. </p>

<p>CalSO got me SOOO excited to come to Cal!! The counselors there were excited, happy, inspired, laid-back, funny, friendly, etc. and made all of the kids at orientation seem like they were all coming to be part of a big, happy Golden Bear family :smiley: Haha, yeah, this sounds a little over the top, but coming from someone who is out-of-state and a small-ish town… the lure of Berkeley as a refreshingly young (young vibe/people), eclectic, diverse, and super-involved college town is awesome! Plus you all have to admit that the campus, the buildings, the Campanile, etc. are all friggin gorgeous</p>

<p>PS: Hope I’m not too disappointed when the “real fun” starts in the Fall, lol</p>

<p>I have grown to LOVE Berkeley. I’ve learned a lot about other people and about myself. And I think that’s because I started to be more optimistic about everything. There’s a great social life here (very balanced) and you can always find the right crowd even if it takes a little time. There are SO many people that you will eventually meet your true friends. Just put yourself out there.</p>

<p>Oh and you cannot meet friends if you stay in your room, so go out! And maybe spend less time on the internet.</p>