Linguistics.

<p>I just realised the top matches of my State (Bates, Bowdoin, Colby, etc.) don't really offer a decent linguistics course. Either that, or the colleges that I thought were good choices for me happen not to have it listed or condescendingly list it as part of the "foreign languages" department (linguistics is not the same as foreign language studies! How can some academics still be amazingly ignorant about this?!)</p>

<p>So far, the only places I know of offering attractive linguistics programmes are Berkeley (as I recall), MIT, UPenn and so forth. Which needless to say, doesn't look very good seeing as I don't think I have much chance of getting into those places (though I am applying). Why isn't there any middle ground?!</p>

<p>I know what you mean - a huge problem I had last year was finding colleges that had linguistics departments AND were good fits. In the end I'm very happy at Georgetown - definitely apply here for linguistics! If you're looking for colleges that are more on the match-side, try University of Rochester, UC Santa Cruz, and Ohio State (the latter two are known for their awesome departments). And of course most huge universities will have a linguistics major, but if you're looking for smaller colleges they can get really tough to find.</p>

<p>If you have any questions about the linguistics program at Georgetown feel free to ask me. Good luck!</p>

<p>If isn't impossible, I'd like to double major in bioengineering (or a related field where I can play with making proteins). Part of the problem was finding accessible schools with good departments in both areas... I looked up Georgetown and it's looking promising so far. I will need to research more, so I guess the only question I have specifically at this point is what they would specifically look for in a linguistics-inclined applicant?</p>

<p>I mean, the Bates people (including a good friend whose opinion I treasure highly) is trying to convince me that I can still go the way of what sounds like an independent study or some form of "pursue what I want", but that wouldn't sound very exciting in terms of discussion with peers...</p>

<p>If you want a school on the smaller side, William and Mary has a small Linguistics Program (listed under English but there is no overlap). I'm currently in the program and I find it really rewarding. Pretty sure we don't have bioengineering though. Our program (much like the rest of the school) clearly focuses on teaching so there won't be any real big names from the field but the professors are some of the smartest people I've met.</p>

<p>As for what they look for - just make sure you have shown a demonstrated interest in languages with your extracurriculars and classes. By that I mean things like: sticking with a language throughout high school, maybe self-studying languages, doing summer exchanges, joining language clubs, etc. Also since it's really rare to be interested in linguistics before college, you should explain why you want to do linguistics (for example, I'd already taken a course at a local community college, and that's how I decided to major in it). As long as you've got the passion, and your stats are decent, you'll have a great shot :)</p>

<p>Well I completed French V by junior year, and because I had no more courses to go on, I have opted to take a Third Year French conversation course at the University of Southern Maine (it was the highest I could find ...), and I am taking French phonetics next year (but it's a spring course, and as such I have not formally registered, though my current professor will be teaching that class next spring too).</p>

<p>I actually only joined the French club this year, but I don't think I have lost out much (a lot of the stuff they do is non-rigourous) -- hopefully that won't be a major issue. </p>

<p>My interest in linguistics was really a convergence of several factors (some which had been lingering since age 5). Now that I look back, I was probably on a collision-course with it by sophomore year, although I hadn't known it yet! </p>

<p>I'm a cross-migrant between Singapore and the US, so I speak a semi-creolish dialect of English (Singlish) with major Hokkien and Malay influences. It was always bashed by my government (and pretentious wannabe-posh folks) as "broken English" though, and in my attempts to defend my treasured dialect against unwarranted attack and also justify the idea that it had its own grammar, I ended up researching things that led me on a collision course with linguistics. </p>

<p>Meanwhile, investigating word etymology and comparisons between English and French had led me to Proto-Indo-European, and before I knew it I was mentally internalising sound changes.</p>

<p>Some of it was a mixture of dealing with cultural hegemony and childhood development. I would say that I knew that I was on to something when I noticed certain syntax similarities between French and Singlish (that English did not share), especially in the use of topic-prominent disjunctive pronouns and various other particles, even though French and Singlish could hardly be related. </p>

<p>It was also strange thing when I found out that Singlish particles had fixed contour tones, like in Chinese. I had pronounced Singlish unconsciously with the contour tones. I had unconsciously perceived contour tone -- but I had always been consciously unaware that the tones existed. As a cross-migrant who had my acquisition of the Chinese language cut short with my migration to the US, I had been struggling to relearn Chinese, including dealing with tones. Imagine my amazement when I realised I had been speaking a tonal system fluently all along! (There aren't many minimal pairs regarding tones in Singlish, but it sounds really funny if you use the wrong tone, or no tone at all [like the Caucasian tourists, who end up sounding weird!]) I had not realised that my ancestors had not only borrowed their own vocabulary into their own form of English, but a system of tones to go with the particles as well!</p>

<p>The reason why that I hadn't recognised my own dialect as having tones -- though I hadn't needed to be taught tone and thinking back, had realised I had picked it up in kindergarten spontaneously -- was because it had never been covered in a textbook, not a grade school textbook anyway. My government's hostility (as well as that of the ruling upper class) to Singlish had not helped either. </p>

<p>Coupled with the realisation of how as a migrant I had unconsciously picked up the subjunctive (especially its colloquial use), but had never been formally taught it, this inevitably led me to the subject of language acquisition, I think.</p>

<p>Sooner or later after reading too many articles about how to pronounce certain exotic consonants, I bumped into phonetics, where I discovered things that surprised me yet made childlike sense (and naturally children and languages go together), like /g/ and /k/ being articulated at the same place, or vowels being altered by tongue height -- I had always perceived vowels to be shaped by the shape of the mouth, especially since that's the most visible aspect of vowel distinction, and I realised our tongues had been so well-trained to the point of reflex that we normally did not feel much our tongues while speaking. </p>

<p>Sometime last year, I made the realisation that linguistics was the combination of all of these fields. "Oh, so that's what linguistics is!" Before, I had the impression (partially due to society and the mass media) that linguistics was about studying foreign languages and that linguists were essentially dedicated polyglots, or worse, people who sat in their rooms memorising lists of words. </p>

<p>It kind of feels like destiny. I actually only decided that I wanted to major in linguistics in the end of last year, but it seems like a field that has been waiting for me all my life. </p>

<p>Anyway, do you think if I somehow organised these reasons into a good essay, I'd have an even better shot? </p>

<p>Also, I'm curious if there have been others who discovered linguistics through the same routes. I assume there must be quite a bit of people who go, "well, I was researching word origins one day...."</p>

<p>Two schools with great linguistics departments that are not too incredibly difficult to get into are UMass (Amherst) and UMd (College Park). UMass's linguistics dept. is rated in the top 3 or so for graduate school, and is supposed to be quite remarkable at an undergraduate level as well.</p>

<p>galoisien, that is exactly the type of passion that Georgetown looks for. DEFINITELY talk about all that in an essay, especially the parts about the type of English spoken in Singapore and how that meshes with your linguistic interests :)</p>

<p>Yes, that sounds like amazing essay material to me too. If you really want to get into a particular school for linguistics but are worried about not getting accepted, my advice would be to get in touch with some professors at the school, and start talking to them about some of the ideas you are thinking about now. While faculty don't have any direct influence on the admissions office, there is a section on the app where you are supposed to write about a professor you want to work with, AND I'm sure a recommendation note from a professor to the admissions office about a prospective student can't hurt,</p>

<p>I would definitely consider Penn if I were you. We have a really good linguistics program here with some awesome professors. Off the top of my head, look up Mark Liberman and Victor Mair.</p>

<p>Ohio State has an outstanding Linguistics dept as well as Bioengineering. They also have a great Honors and Scholars Program.</p>

<p>There is a middle ground, though. The top schools with top linguistics programs are Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Penn, Cornell, and Yale. But there are also not-so-top schools with top linguistics programs. These include UMass-Amherst, UC Santa Cruz (one of my favorites), UC San Diego, and Ohio State. From my own research, UC Santa Barbara, UC Davis, and UC Irvine also have pretty good linguistics programs, as far as course selection goes (though my vote goes to UCSB). I have not heard many good things about UMD's program from current students in it, though that's just hearsay.</p>

<p>It's always nice to see someone else with an interest in linguistics, since it's such an unpopular major. =)</p>

<p>If you're looking for a great linguistics department (which is heavily connected to the federal government), look at University of Maryland</p>

<p>My older son was also interested in linguistics without consciously thinking about it until he arrived on campus at the University of Rochester. If he had met a linguist in his pre-college years, he would have been told that he should look into studying linguistics. He studied music theory and composition and has a good ear for tones. He loves words - inventing them, doing crossword puzzles, wanting to learn Latin because of it being the roots of many languages, etc., etc. His college search might also have led him to a totally different range of schools. </p>

<p>Now he is a linguistic major in his third year at the UR. The department has many PhD alum from UMass-Amherst on faculty. The department encourages their students to take a 2nd or 3rd language and/or a computer language. The department also works along with the cognitive sci/psych programs (both strong at UR) and the computer science dept. Right now he is working as a research assistant on a comp. sci. grad student thesis project on voice recognition stuff. He works on the linguistic annotation to help the computer not only to ecognise voice but also to understand context. (Best I can understand it.)</p>

<p>My son has been happy with his UR fit and doubly happy to have found linguistics. UR is an excellent private mid-sized school (about 4500 undergrads) with many strong depts/schools. BTW, they do have a bioengineering program and strong science programs. You may want to check it out.</p>

<p>As to other schools mentioned by other posters, I do not know much about them except for U of MD at College Park. UMD have been steadily trimming their incoming class over the last decade and is no longer a super easy school to get into. It is doubly so for out of state applicants; they are required to accept 70% in-state. I assume other state schools would have similar quota for in-state admissions.</p>

<p>Good luck to you in your college search and applications.</p>

<p>It's great to find so many interested in linguistics in this thread! Feels like home......</p>

<p>Short introduction: Grad Student in the Applied Linguistic Department in UCLA. Singaporean (Hi galoisien).</p>

<p>In contrast to galoisien, my speciality would be Chinese Linguistics. Singapore is a strange place in this sense, it can produced a populace with huge polarity in their mastery of languages, for me, my most fluent would be Mandarin.</p>

<p>Something to add for galoisien's consideration. From what I have seen in your draft, you seen to be leaning towards phonetics rather than linguistics as a general term. Which may work in your favor if you are clearer about it. Linguistics is a cover term for a huge range of cross-disciplinary fields: Computational Linguistics, Psycholinguistics, Cognitive Linguistics, Socio-Linguistics, Corpus Linguistics, Anthropological Linguistics etc.</p>

<p>In general, Linguistics can be conceived in two large categories: Formalist vs. Functionalist. Georgetown, Maryland, Ohio State, MIT, Amherst would be strongholds for the formalist camp; Stanford, UC system, Penn would be for the functionalist camp. To explicate their difference would take ages and possibly arouse heated debate on who is right.....but I'm just letting you know there is more out there than just phonetics with regards to Linguistics.</p>

<p>My own area would be functionalist, specifically in Discourse Analysis, Conversation Analysis, Corpus Linguistics and Language Socialization. Hence, my major in Applied Linguistics (UCLA's Linguistic dept use to hold both formalist and functionalist until they couldn't stand each other any longer.....hence the Applied Linguistics Dept.) Just to sell my own school a bit, we have Emmanuel Schegloff & John Heritage in Conversation Analysis; Charles and Marjorie Goodwin in Discourse Analysis; Elinor Ochs and Alessandro Duranti in Linguistic Anthropology....so I'll say we're uber strong in these fields :-)</p>

<p>P.S. Oh yeah galoisien....PM me if you wish to have a copy of my statement of purpose for grad school, you could compare and see if any of my points would help you write a better ref. letter or whatever.....</p>

<p>CUNY Queens College has a fantastic linguistics program! If you apply to CUNY Honors at Queens, you'd be paying $0. Good deal!</p>