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<p>SLO is also strong in Architecture, Education and Ag – so it can do bio-sci. </p>
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<p>Perhaps true for OOS med schools, but the instates recognize the rigor difference.</p>
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<p>SLO’s also strong in Business (Orfalea College of Business)</p>
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<p>I don’t know why you’d guess (probably incorrectly) when you could use net price calculators or collegeabacus.com .</p>
<p>In any case, I tried UCR’s net price calculator at <a href=“http://vcsaweb.ucr.edu/FinAidManualCalculator/”>http://vcsaweb.ucr.edu/FinAidManualCalculator/</a> and got $14,186 for a net price after subtracting $17,348 in grants from the on-campus list price of $31,534. Of course, the actual amount will vary since I had to guess assets and taxes. But $14,186 is lower than all of the following:</p>
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<p>UCR should definitely be on his list. I’m liking it better and better with those numbers.</p>
<p>Hi Sbjdorlo! Been late reading and posting on this thread. Oldest daughter attended SLO before we moved and she transferred to our new state uni. Great school for the sciences, she was pre-vet, she did enjoy her time there. Middle son applied and was accepted to Colby and Holy Cross (among others) and his package from Colby was the BEST of all the schools, including HP/MIT, went with pton as you know. However, both Penn and Colby had the best financial aid packages, initially.</p>
<p>Colby not only offered his airfare up for a visit but mine as well and included a LARGE travel allowance and winter wardrobe allowance. They like Penn offered a “preferential package”. Stipend for research, overseas travel (not semester abroad but in addition to that), laptop allowance, book account…His summer contribution and work study was replaced with all grants. Also penn did the same thing, they literally made his student contribution $50 (no loans, no Work study) for the year, better than H, P, Amherst and Swat’s offer.</p>
<p>Some changed their package when notified of Colby’s and Penn’s offer, but they had the 2 best offers out of 32.</p>
<p>As far as pre-med I will echo what the other posters have said. He can major in anything as long as he completes his med school pre-reqs. No one school will help him get in, it will be all him. And most frosh pre-meds don’t remain pre-med for various reasons, just suffice to say at least 80% change their minds.</p>
<p>He should go with the school that best fits him and his families’ ability to pay. Also like the others the UCR plan seems to be a great idea! Same son that went to pton is now in med school and that process can be long and brutal if you don’t like your undergrad. Med school students come from all over but those in CA face an uphill battle, the numbers just aren’t in their favor. Many of the privates on this side of the US are filled with CA students as are some the OOS public med schools, son met so many on his interview trail.</p>
<p>Med school acceptance isn’t just GPA and MCAT, that stat combo is what gets you in the door, it is ALL the other stuff that warrants an acceptance. So many applicants are grateful for the ONE acceptance.</p>
<p>So carefully craft the list, I would err on the side of a few more schools and be mindful of the “details”. You just need one school that is affordable/REALLY affordable and that he will be happy and successful there. That will show in his med school app and if he changes his mind he will have other choices.</p>
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<p>for the serious calif unhooked premed who probably wont be the MCAT 36+, 4.0 gpa, with incredible research, etc, I would recommend going OOS for undergrad to a state that has SOMs that will accept OOS non-MD/PhD who have an association with the state (either grew up in that state or went to undergrad there). </p>
<p>but if the student does go to a calif undergrad, then certainly apply to OOS privates…especially the midwest privates like SLU, Loyola, Creighton, etc. dont waste apps on OOS publics unless you have a relationship with the state.</p>
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<p>Which states have public medical schools which consider undergraduate attendance as qualifying for in-state admissions? More importantly, which of these also do that for in-state tuition, or have low out-of-state tuition (since out-of-state public medical school tuition in some states is more expensive than private medical school tuition)?</p>
<p>Of course, then schools that list of states needs to be screened by academic suitability, affordability, etc. as with any undergraduate school choice.</p>
<p>SLO is strong in Bio, and it is one of the more selective majors for admission. It is the largest major in the school of science and math. I was pre-med there back in the day, and although I never applied to med school, taking the higher level chemistry, calculus and physics that they recommended for pre-meds has served me very well in my career. </p>
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UNC-Chapel Hill’s med school does accept OOS students for med school and does give a nod(preference, tip, advantage to those OOS who attended their undergrad). I make the distinction because ECU’s med school admits ZERO OOS for their med school.</p>
<p>In addition, and the most important part, after your first year at UNC-CH med school as an OOS paying OOS tuition your status is revised for years 2-4 and a research year if desired to in-state tuition rates. Substantial difference and significant savings.</p>
<p>The first year financially is rough BUT they very often add some money to the initial offer for your first year to mitigate some of the OOS cost, usually $10,000 one-time grant. It is called a “relocation” grant, you don’t apply for it, it is just awarded. And since UNC’s OOS tuition is still less than most privates it is decent.</p>
<p>University of Washington had this same deal for med school up until a few years ago (3) and would reclassify their OOS to in-state for tuition purposes but no longer.</p>
<p>As far as undergrad admittance for OOS, it is still capped at 18% OOS. Same is true for med school. But UNC is one of the few publics in-state and OOS that meets full need.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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<p>Very helpful post. I will encourage student to apply broadly and to more schools than maybe they had anticipated. The mom assures me she wants to spend what it takes to get him in somewhere that he can grow and be away from home, so the app fees won’t be a big deal</p>
<p>Thanks again, all.</p>
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<p>I know that USA gives a preference to qualified OOS students who attend an Alabama undergrad. and, USA typically gives them a merit award to offset a good portion of the OOS costs. </p>
<p>i dont think the OOS rate at this SOM is higher than a private.</p>
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<p>For the best comparison, the OP should run NPCs (or College Abacus) on all the other colleges of interest, using exactly the same inputs on each of them for his or her own family income, assets,etc. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, UC-Riverside is not in the College Abacus database. Therefore I could not compare it to the 7 schools I listed above using College Abacus with the same inputs. Apparently, none of the UCs are in the College Abacus db. So I may well be wrong about the net price of UC-R (or other UCs) relative to private “full need” colleges or to the Cal State schools for the OP’s circumstances. For best results, make your own comparisons using your own family data.</p>
<p>College Abacus web-scrapes college net price calculators. So if a school is not available on College Abacus, just use the net price calculator on the school’s web site.</p>
<p>It appears that net price calculators run by Rezolve Group and Hardwick-Day block College Abacus:
<a href=“https://collegeabacus.com/blocked_schools?page=17”>https://collegeabacus.com/blocked_schools?page=17</a></p>
<p>The UCs are not listed as blocked, but it may be that they are not included because they use their own net price calculators (as opposed to those from a vendor like College Board).</p>
<p>Since the UCs don’t show up in College Abacus, I tried running comparisons of state universities and private “full need” schools for residents of a couple other states.
(College Abacus is convenient because you can run estimates for several schools at a time.)</p>
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$80K AGI, split evenly between 2 spouses;
No non-wage income;
$125K net worth ($25K in financial assets, $100K in home equity);
Home purchased in 2000; purchase price = $250K;
1 sibling, 14 years old;
Both parents born in 1964.
4.0 GPA, 2100 SAT.</p>
<p>Michigan Resident
$26,208 Michigan State
$18,582 Holy Cross
$17,830 University of Richmond
$16,657 University of Michigan
$15,909 Macalester
$14,760 Colby College</p>
<p>Virginia Resident
$18,232 Holy Cross
$17,630 University of Richmond
$17,233 University of Virginia
$15,533 Macalester
$15,110 Colby College
$9,730 Virginia Commonwealth University (may reflect merit aid)</p>
<p>Massachusetts Resident
$25,710 University of Rochester (private, not “full need”)
$25,268 Case Western (private, not “full need”)
$22,864 UMass-Amherst
$17,882 Holy Cross
$17,380 University of Richmond
$15,172 Macalester
$14,360 Colby College</p>
<p>So, some of the highly selective liberal arts colleges actually would be cheaper than the in-state UC…possibly, and assuming he could get in. Still, it might be worth applying to a few of those in the Mid-West and South.</p>
<p>I was trying to find colleges that are looking for guys, but haven’t found a good search engine for that.</p>
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<p>Not really relevant for a California resident looking at state universities in California, as different states’ universities have greatly different in-state financial aid policies. Why the resistance to using the net price calculator on the school you are trying to compare with?</p>
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<p>These assumptions give a net price of $13,387 for a California resident at UCR living in on-campus housing, according to <a href=“http://vcsaweb.ucr.edu/FinAidManualCalculator/”>http://vcsaweb.ucr.edu/FinAidManualCalculator/</a> .</p>
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Attending a Mid-West (or East coast) college from California may cause some troubles because of the time zone difference (potentially >= 2 hours?) If the land transportation is needed after you land at the airport, it could be worse.</p>
<p>There is some disadvantage to go too far for college, especially from the West to the East.</p>
<p>^not sure why the time difference is a problem. If you’re thinking “jetlag”, it solves itself in a couple days. If you’re thinking it’ll be harder to get a hold of the kid on the phone because it’ll be later, ahem… it’ll be hard regardless of where the kid goes.</p>
<p>UCB: CollegeAbacus is easier because you don’t have to enter the data on each website, just once</p>
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As I wrote above, College Abacus (which does output net price calculations) is convenient because it allows comparisons of multiple colleges from a single set of inputs. I’m interested in general patterns in the net pricing of different kinds of schools nationwide. The OP represents a fairly common CC scenario: a good student from a middle/upper-middle income family looking for a selective college with a net price under $N ($20K in this case). What kinds of schools compare in net pricing to in-state public universities (which often establish the baseline price to beat)? </p>
<p>The OP asked, “what LAC might you recommend for this student given his stats and willingness to look at other parts of the country?” If $20K is the upper limit, and if UCR sets the baseline for price and quality, I recommend looking at the less selective schools that claim to meet full need (<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2013/09/18/colleges-that-claim-to-meet-full-financial-need-2014”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2013/09/18/colleges-that-claim-to-meet-full-financial-need-2014</a>). In some states, some of these schools will cost less than the state flagship for a family making ~$90K. In California, they may not quite beat UC prices. Nevertheless, if the benefits of a LAC appeal to you, the “full need” LACs seem to be close enough in price to the UCs to be worth considering. </p>
<p>If you want to consider another category of colleges likely to fall below $20K (besides the UCs or full-need private schools), then you also could consider merit scholarship opportunities. However, to have a good shot at enough merit from a private or OOS public school to to bring the price under $20K, you’d have to consider less selective schools than the UCs or full-need private schools. The net price wouldn’t necessarily be much lower, given the OP’s stats. </p>
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<p>While the situation described by the OP (for someone else, not the OP) may be a common situation, the price and financial aid policies of in-state public universities vary by state. In California, the UCs tend to be very competitive on net price for the situation described by the OP. For a Pennsylvania resident in this situation, the state(-related) schools tend to be rather uncompetitive on net price, due to their poor in-state financial aid. So using other states makes no sense for this comparison.</p>
<p>Of course, the student and family described by the OP may choose to pay a premium over UCR or other UC to attend a LAC (since they have a $20,000 budget, but the apparent safety UCR is apparently only about $14,000, they have about $6,000 of budget leeway here). But that is not the same as saying that the LACs in question will cost less than a state university for them. (Also, if the student does choose to major in math, he needs to check LACs carefully for their offerings in that subject.)</p>