Looking for some schools to visit (virtually, of course)

TLDR: Average excellent white girl from flyover country looking for a small or midsized college with friendly students and no weed out culture in the pre med classes. Needs to be “full need”. I have run several NPC’s and can come up with my part of the expected contribution on schools who meet full need.

Like everyone else, D21’s college search experience has been disrupted. We had visits lined up for May to help her narrow down what she wants. Almost certainly those won’t happen now.

She isn’t quite ready to put together a list yet. She still needs to figure out what she is looking for.

She really liked Rochester and WashU in StL when we visited. HOWEVER, she is leery of the big intro classes. So right now thinking LAC instead. But not certain on this point so still considering both midsized and small schools. This is probably what she most needs to figure out.

Will be premed, and probably a history major.

1 priority is a "friendly" campus. What does that mean exactly? IDK.

One thing is not a cut-throat culture or weed out culture in pre med classes. Hard work is ok, but more “we are all in this together” not “I need to study more than you so I get the A and you don’t”. I know there isn’t really a bright line there, but hopefully you get where I am coming from.

Also somewhere that draws students from a wide area. She will almost certainly not know anyone when she arrives on campus. It’s much easier to make friends when the majority of kids are in the same boat, and didn’t all go to HS together.

She is liberal but would like somewhere tolerant of different viewpoints. She is more “you be you” than SJW.

Again, I’m not trying to put together a list of schools to apply to yet. But some schools to do the “virtual” tours and info sessions that many are putting out now to help her figure out what direction she wants to go.

Thanks.

Any large state university with an Honors College & preferably with automatic merit awards based on stats so that you know whether or not this is a reasonable option for your daughter.

The University of Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Arizona, Arizona State University, etc.

P.S. Would help to know ballpark SAT / ACT scores & GPA.

St. Olaf? I personally love the Twin Cities area and think they are friendly there but I could be biased. :slight_smile:

32 ACT, minimal prep. She was more than a year removed from any helpful math class, due to HS block schedule. So what has always been my “math” kid got a 27 on the math ACT which drug her down. I’m assuming this summer or fall she will be able to retake and get that up to 33-34. She is studying the math section now, since she isn’t playing soccer and classes have been somewhat scaled back for online delivery. Also no grades this semester.

3.9-3.95 UW. She was #1/350-400. But the weighting system will hurt her, because her weighted classes were disproportunately happening now and they aren’t getting grades this semester. I assume that also means no bump for the weighted classes. I would think she would stay top 10 though. I know class rank is less important than it used to be, but our school sends few applications to top tier schools, so at least it gives some context. The school profile from the HS they send doesn’t give much useful info, which I think is different than many of your schools.

@Publisher she isn’t really interested in the big schools. If she goes that route she could probably attend the state flagship here tuition free.

@2plustrio that was one of the ones we had a visit scheduled for (along with Carleton, Macalaster and Case Western).

I think you have a good list going with St. Olaf, Carleton, Mac, and Case. You may also want to consider Denison and College of Wooster.

Williams College in Massachusetts.

Rhodes College in Memphis is a small liberal arts school/ science school and has an excellent Premed program and offers scholarships to top students.

https://www.rhodes.edu/admission-aid/cost-and-affordability/scholarships-and-fellowships

the website offers virtual tours.

https://www.rhodes.edu/admission-aid

Bates
Colby
Middlebury
Wesleyan
Connecticut College
Skidmore
Union
Lafayette
Franklin & Marshall
Oberlin
Kenyon
Occidental

Personally, I’m in love with Bowdoin, even though I’ve not set foot on campus. Their website, at least, is definitely worth a look. I’m encouraging my son to consider it too.

But wouldn’t all of the NESCACs be worth a look?

While you doing virtual tours, why not:

University of Hawaii-Manoa

Hawaii Pacific University

Western Washington University

Couldn’t find any “University of Key West”, but there should be some great on-the-beach-schools in Florida.

Colby College in Maine could be a great option.

Kenyon College in Ohio is small, but beautiful & well respected academically.

St. Lawrence University in New York since it is in a fairly remote location but does award lots of merit scholarships & financial aid.

Grinnell College in Iowa due to excellent academics, superb financial aid, & remote location.

Franklin & Marshall in Pennsylvania.

Davidson College in North Carolina.

With respect to a short list, view Haverford, Bates, Kenyon, Grinnell.

Also consider the women’s colleges - Mount Holyoke, Smith, etc. all have good science programs and high med school admission rates.

If you are looking for current virtual tours: I know Wesleyan, College of Wooster (attended theirs last week - really well done) and University of Vermont all have them set up and you sign up at their website. Wellesley also has a couple zoom sessions and Carleton too - just not sure if those will have tours or more info sessions. I wish there was a thread listing - as I imagine 100’s of colleges are moving to online info sessions. No luck with Vasser, CT college, Smith yet and we keep checking websites.

Bryn Mawr College

How is the friendliness factor at any/all of these schools? Wellesley is a great school but from what I have heard has a competitive culture, which she is trying to avoid. Also do any of them have reputations good or bad about weeding out premeds?

Lots of these schools are ones on the way too long list.

Any ideas on how to figure out if she wants small or medium without stepping on campus? I was really hoping hitting the 3 Minnesota LAC’s followed immediately by Case Western would help her get that figured out.

I’m wondering if maybe 2 good tours of medium U’s and 2 of LAC’s would help her figure it out. Any particularly good ones that give the flavor of that type of institution?

I feel like I’m rambling and don’t know exactly what I’m asking, sorry for that. She kind of likes everything, which is probably good but makes it hard to give her guidance. I think she wants the campus feel of Wash U or Rochester with the small classes and collaberation of MHC.

One way to gauge friendly factor virtually perhaps is for her to reach out online and see if she can find social media and connect with current students.

It seems she’s been at more midsize campuses and liked them. Has she been to any large campuses? Is there one nearby that perhaps she wouldn’t be interested in but could get a feel for size?

Your strategy sounds good. I think you’re doing a great job guiding her. Relax and enjoy.

She could apply to a couple mid sized colleges and some LACS. No need to know which she’ll prefer today.

As she continues to mature and refine her priorities, her preferences / likes may change a great deal between summer before senior year and next spring.
The favorite today could be next spring’s last choice.

To get an idea about friendliness, could look at social media for clubs or volunteering or other social tradtions (Greek life, intramurals, service groups).

Free tuition at instate flagship for a premed may be wisest course financially. I think out of state universities /flagships with honors colleges are suggested because merit $ is possible and one is more likely to find ones desired cohort of peers/affiliations at larger schools.

We found Hamilton to be extremely friendly. Also a strong sense of collaboration among students and faculty.

She has been to a couple big campuses and didn’t love them, although she is pretty adaptable and could make it work. She has brothers at schools with 15,000 and 20,000 undergrad students, plus grad students. One campus she did the official visits, the other is the local flagship, where we will visit the honors college at some point when they open again to visitors. She will probably apply to both because it would be nice to be where one of her brothers is, but neither will be a high choice for her. They both have had classes with hundreds of students, which she thinks sounds awful, although she really has no context for that either. Neither brother loves the big lecture classes, but both accept it as part of the negatives that come along with a school they otherwise really enjoy.

I’m thinking since she has a pretty long list of places she likes anyway adding things like Arizona State and Alabama probably don’t make sense. I don’t know that she would pick either of those over the local flagship, where she will be an autoadmit.

Financially the flagship and full needs schools are in the same general ballpark for me so on that front I’m indifferent.

She probably will apply to some of both. But there is a limit on how many apps she can do without the quality dropping, along with the quality of her (and my) quality of life. So if she decides that Hamilton is too small or Tulane too big (both on the current list) better to make that cut now and open up an app slot for Case or Bates. Or whatever, those are just examples. Right now probably 40 schools on the maybe list, which obviously is not workable.

Any thoughts on good/bad schools for weeding out premeds? And just a collaberative culture in general? It seems like everyone claims to have that, but I know that’s not true. I know people are loathe to point out negatives sometimes, so if you are more comfortable sending that in a PM, I would still appreciate it. Anyone have schools they know are particularly collaberative especially with the premeds?

As far as friendliness this was a HUGE consideration in our household. We found that Bryn Mawr and Haverford both have cultures of purposefully creating calming, caring student bodies that cooperate. They have self-scheduled exams. The Quaker tradition also seems to come into play as they have cultures of trusting the students to do the right thing. This means they can take an exam when they’re ready and without the hawkish proctors standing by. There are no proctors … stuff is left on campus openly (computers for example if you need to get up from studying and go to get a coffee) and no one takes things. BMC and Haverford share many campus facilities and have nearly the same culture, not entirely the same. The two are all about “personal responsibility”–it’s calming and pleasant. Because they share facilities and have intermeshed academic schedules, buses between campuses, BMC students do have males in the classroom, there are parties at Haverford and a blue bus to take the women back to BMC. BMC has a more studious air overall, but they have ample opportunities to socialize both at BMC and as I said above they parties are at Haverford. BMC also has a grad program and so there are males on campus for that reason too. Both of these schools are hard to get into. BMC though would give a lot of merit probably to your daughter (as both schools have their own philosophies about FA and BMC has the much higher endowment). I think that there may be a shared dorm between the two schools. She would also be able to take classes at UPenn (train fare 11 miles to Philly paid for by her home school) and at Swarthmore (bus to and from both H and BMC). Swat, H, and BMC also share social groups – music etc. and some departments, like I think linguistics. Swat however is known for being very competitive among the students.

Because both H and BMC are hard to get into, I urged my child who loved this grouping to look further. We discovered Connecticut College also has self-scheduled exams and an Honor Code. Also Mt. Holyoke has huge merit to offer, an honor code (which is what allows the students to self-schedule exams, self-monitor dorm behavior at H and BMC, so no heavy oversight of RAs – that sort of thing). Mt. H is further from the cute town of Northampton but Mt. H has buses to take them shopping and they can also take classes at Amherst Collge, Smith, Hampshire, and UMass Amherst with free buses.

Smith is more SJW to my mind and none of my children liked it very much for that reason. They found it too overtly political.

She may want to look at Barnard–it is needs=meeting only, shares all facilities with Columbia but also is its own college in that if she chooses she could never leave Barnard and find all that she needs in a school. There’s a strong sisterhood there–but of course lots of men across the street at CU! Because it’s in NYC on the whole the campus felt to me less overtly political than say Smith – probably because there are so many distractions in NYC. Barnard is a great school but compared to the others mentioned above it doesn’t consciously attempt to lower the competitive atmosphere.

Vassar is a top school, meets full need, no merit and the students are live and let live in terms of not being competitive academically. The college is situated in a city at the end of the MetroNorth commuter train line that goes to Grand Central Station in NYC and so it’s possible to take day trips from there to NYC and back. This colors the atmosphere somewhat. Some students work or are active in the City and so the campus doesn’t feel like so much of a bubble as in other places. Vassar is gorgeous and has 2000 acres of arboretum.

Also on our list for friendliness and premed was Earlham. They would provide lots of merit for you I predict.

For a current child – also seeking friendly campus and not interested in alcohol or smoking at all–we are considering St. Olaf, Connecticut College, Wheaton in Massachusetts, Wooster (but maybe too many frats here).