<p>supposedly UGA is 89% instate (collegeboard, although I know they can be wrong)… that’s huge! Nothing would be cooler for me than not seeing anyone from long island. It’d be so relieving (I’ve never left long island for more than a week in my life).</p>
<p>Oh and how is Clemson’s tuition ~the same as georgia? Is it private or public? It seems to draw more out of staters</p>
<p>UGA is very much in demand for in-state students because of the Hope Scholarship (free tuition at GA state schools for GA residents with a B average). However, there isn’t a limitation on OOS students like in Texas or NC. You’ll find that many of the students at UGA from Atlanta have parents originally from NY.</p>
<p>29% of the student population at Clemson is from out-of-state.</p>
<p>Clemson is a public school. Comparison between UGA and Clemson tuition:</p>
<p>UGA:
Tuition And Fees: $25,740
Housing: $4,524
Meal Plan: $3,522
Books/Supplies: $960
Living Expenses: $1,464</p>
<p>Clemson:
Tuition/Fees: $25,788
Housing/Meal Plan: $6,774
Books & Supplies: $922
Personal Expenses: $1,966
Computer (Clemson requires freshman to have a laptop): $1,250</p>
<p>UNC is very hard to get into from out of state…</p>
<p>Northstar - isn’t that only for HS applicants applying to Freshman?</p>
<p>Surprisingly their transfer admission rate is pretty high - ~1200/3000. But the common data set doesn’t show how many of them are in/out of state.</p>
<p>The life sciences departments at U of Alabama at Birmingham (not to be confused with the Tuscaloosa campus) is among the strongest such offerings at any public school in the southeast. Lots of research $$ flowing to UAB in recent years.</p>
<p>I also like Georgia State College & University, but keep in mind Millegeville, GA is way, way out in a rural part of Georgia, far from Atlanta. Maybe that’s an asset for you.</p>
<p>I work/travel a lot in that region, so here are some of my favorites:</p>
<p>Georgia- As previously mentioned, UGA is a nice school and has the classic southern charm to it. It exploded in size following Georgia’s hope scholarship program, and is now pretty large (~35,000 students). Concerns: Georgia’s endowment is not particularly good for their size and their budget has been impacted pretty severely with their budget cuts in the last year. They are considering, and projected to, have layoffs that will result in fewer class offerings and larger class sizes.</p>
<p>Florida (University of Florida)- A large ~50,000 student school with an excellent academic track record and reputation. They’re also well within your projected budget. Concerns: It’s quite a ways from home (may be a pro for you, don’t know), and once again, budget cuts. Florida has a decent endowment, but have taken a beating in recent budget cuts and will have layoffs and across the board program cuts.</p>
<p>Alabama- I’m not a big fan of Auburn (very nice school, but not very special academically and they’re not much less expensive than better ranked competitors), but the University of Alabama is one of my favorites. They are normally ranked pretty well and have a very nice southern charm/feel to their campus. Also a pretty social, mid-sized campus. Concerns: Far away, and severe budget cuts. They’re cutting 300 positions and halting construction projects while simultaneously raising tuition and fees, not in a great position this year, hopefully they’ll bounce back soon.</p>
<p>Mississippi- Neither of the main institutions in Mississippi are very impressively ranked, but are nice schools in their own right and have pretty lenient admissions standards. </p>
<p>Arkansas- Probably a bit farther than you’re looking, but very similar in size and rankings to Alabama. Known for their top ranked business, architecture, and engineering programs, but if you’re looking at pure sciences/social sciences, they do have the best funded Honors College in the nation (requires a 3.5 GPA and 28 ACT to be considered for Honors) that offers undergraduate research opportunities and funding to all Honors students, so it might be a good opportunity for you. Friendly students, seem very active in groups, greek, etc. Also surprisingly affordable and in a nice small metro area. Cons- Far away, and may be smaller than what you were considering (~20,000 students). Budget cuts, but they haven’t cut programs or staff and managed not to raise tuition, so their higher than average endowment may be helping them weather the storm.</p>
<p>Tennessee- Another pretty well ranked, reasonably well endowed mid-sized southern feeling school. ~28,000 students and a pretty nice campus. Cons- Very greek/athletic heavy school. Also had budget cuts, but have made minimal academic cuts, so they seem to be weathering better than most too.</p>
<p>Louisiana- LSU is a nice school on a large campus. Nothing exceptional ranking or academic wise, but still very well respected and definitely on par with the previously mentioned schools. VERY south though, so you’d be in a whole new climate. The people here are enthusiastic and outgoing though, I always love my visits there. They are having some difficulty with their budget cuts and are predicting layoffs.</p>
<p>* MMcNell quote: the University of Alabama is one of my favorites. They are normally ranked pretty well and have a very nice southern charm/feel to their campus. Also a pretty social, mid-sized campus. Concerns: Far away, and severe budget cuts. They’re cutting 300 positions and halting construction projects while simultaneously raising tuition and fees, not in a great position this year, hopefully they’ll bounce back soon.
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<p>Bama is not facing **severe **budget cuts. President Witt said that they’re doing some minor trimming. They are hiring more faculty. They are halting some re-landscaping projects, but continuing with construction projects. As for tuition increases…virtually everyone increases tuition every year. Because of the increased use of technology, some jobs are no longer needed and are being phased out thru attrition. </p>
<p>From Jan 29, 2010 (Dr. Witt is the UA President)</p>
<p>* Enrollment growth, particularly of non-Alabama residents, has been crucial in helping the university weather the economic recession and accompanying state budget cuts without employee furloughs or job losses. Witt said the university should be able to withstand another cut in state money. “We continue to build up reserves as best we can to absorb whatever happens,” Witt said. “We can absorb proration.”<br>
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<p>As for “far away”…what the heck does that mean? The person is looking to go to the south. How is UA “far away” compared to the other southern schools???</p>
<p>UNC doesn’t take residency into account for transfers.</p>
<p>I apologize for part of that Alabama post, the UA system, not just the Tuscaloosa campus, has cut 300 positions in the wake of the cuts from the last year, the current one was weathered better because of canceled/postponed projects and the staff cuts in 08-09. Some of their main campus building projects were given new life in late 09 by private donors. Not all the cuts were attrition or “tech” though. Attrition is a common way to reduce staff budget without outright layoffs, but tech replacement hasn’t really been a valid reason for higher ed job cuts since the 90s. Once again, I apologize for listing the “severe” label in reference to the main campus, but the entire UA system was slashed hard in 08-09 and stayed pretty stable at the cut down level through the 09-10 year so far, which is definitely worth mentioning. Tuition increases are also worth mentioning, regardless of how ubiquitous people may consider them to be. Alabama’s budget reductions were definitely not near as bad as the UC system or anything, but it still affected the institution negatively (as it has at most universities lately).</p>
<p>I actually have friends that are admissions counselors/recruiters for 'Bama, and they’ve definitely stepped up their out of state recruitment efforts to boost that tuition income. A smart move for the school financially, but if it continues too far, they’ll come under criticism for not having enough Alabama residents as a percentage of enrollment. I don’t think they’ll have to deal with that for several years though at the current rate of increase.</p>
<p>Update- The far away label is on almost all of those schools if you’ll notice. I’m not picking on Alabama, I actually mentioned it as one of my favorites, so please don’t take anything out of context or get worked up about it. Alabama is farther than the Carolinas, Tennessee, or even Georgia, so it was worth pointing out. I also said Florida and Arkansas were far away for the same reason. That’s what it means, and I assumed it was self explanatory.</p>
<p>*A smart move for the school financially, but if it continues too far, they’ll come under criticism for not having enough Alabama residents as a percentage of enrollment. I don’t think they’ll have to deal with that for several years though at the current rate of increase.
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<p>Thanks for the post clarification - the UA system consists of 3 schools. As to the “far away” part…I was thinking in terms of flying…not a big deal. Yes, if driving, Bama is further than some of the other schools.</p>
<p>As for the quote above…Bama is very much aware of the fact that it doesn’t want to annoy “in-state” families by taking too many OOS kids (at the expense of in-state kids’s seats). Bama has addressed that issue by increasing total enrollment (and increasing infrastruture to accomodate). The plus side is that Bama has greatly increased its numbers of kids in the 90th+ percentile ACT/SAT, while still being able to accept a number of students from the more rural parts whose educations haven’t been as good.</p>
<p>I’m pretty familiar with the UA system, I just didn’t clarify budget cuts across the board/ vs. main campus. UAB is doing pretty well in it’s own right, so I often throw it out for consideration if people don’t click with Tuscaloosa. I assumed Bama would be keeping an eye on the political issues involved with increased OOS enrollment. It’s become a real political minefield for state schools in past years, so I was hoping they had a plan. In related news, I saw Bama’s National Merit Semi/Finalists enrollment was up, which is great news for that school. I think Alabama, LSU, Arizona, Arkansas, and OU and possibly Mississippi and Missouri are all going to pull a few more of those kids away from Texas now that University of Texas isn’t offering a National Merit scholarship anymore. (They still are eligible for all the academic scholarships, but places like Bama, Arkansas, OU, etc. all have scholarships they tend to throw at those students before priority scholarships are even announced)</p>