<p>Say a student has excellent high school grades and a great resume. However, he falters during his first year in college. Can't he just apply to another college as a graduated high school student,and not mention any of his first year college grades. He'll just appear as someone with no college classes. I mean, there is the issue of wasting a year's tuition, but if one doesn't report anything, he doesn't have to apply transfer but as a high schooler, and it may be easier for a fresh start in college.</p>
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Of course he can. People can also just not report all of their income on their taxes, pay for things with forged checks, etc. It’s called fraud.</p>
<p>Fraud has some drawbacks. If they catch you after you’re enrolled then they’ll kick you out. If they catch you before, they’ll not only deny you admission, they’ll probably notify your 1st school. And if you apply for any financial aid then you’ve signed statements that you’re telling the truth in your app; the local DA tends to take a dim view of people submitting falsified documents. Having a criminal record means some jobs will be permanently closed for you; you won’t be able to get admitted to the bar to practice law, and since criminal records are public any future employer that looks as part of a background check will find out. Which may all be a moot point; if you can’t get admitted to college after your fraud is discovered, you’re a lot less marketable as a person with just 1 year of college instead of a BA.</p>
<p>Now I’m sure your thinking (just hypothetically, I’m sure) “gee, how could college number 2 possibly check with every other college and catch me?” Turns out its really simple for a college to check. There is a company called the National Student Clearinghouse [National</a> Student Clearinghouse: Degree verification & enrollment verification](<a href=“http://www.nslc.org/]National”>http://www.nslc.org/) set up to provide exactly this information. It’s routine at most colleges to check for various reasons; to see if you’re eligible for financial aid and how much you’ve already used, to catch students who “forget” to list a college, etc. They list as a sample use of their service detecting exactly the type of fraud you’re considering under their StudentTracker service, and it only costs 5 cents a student to check.</p>
<p>wow I am GLAD i read that. I was thinking of doing just that. not now, thanks!</p>
<p>but however, the point of reporting your college credits is so that they can be transferred and you don’t have to essentially do all your coursework again. college is one’s own thousands of dollars and reporting credits is your responsibility, if you don’t want them, then what’s the problem?</p>
<p>^^^Because:</p>
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<p>If the college is “selective”, it will be interested in assessing how you have done in the past, because past performance is one way to predict future success.</p>
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<p>Because you have to swear to them that you’ve sent them all of your transcripts on your application and on your FA application. See the above post on fraud.</p>
<p>Rice you make me sick.</p>
<p>lol, thats a bit dramatic, don’t you think? i didn’t know you had to send trade school transcripts to your current university when i first when back to school. I read the financial aid application more carefully the next time and mentioned that i had attended another school. the college just made it a requirement that i send it in before i could get more aid. if you’re getting financial aid, you have to show “satisfactory progress” to get approved i think, so if they give you financial aid when they shouldn’t have, you might have to repay it.</p>
<p>I think all public schools and maybe also private schools are subsidized by the federal govt, so you get a portion of that money when you attend school and you don’t legally have the right to more of that money than four years undergrad.</p>
<p>First off, before deeming it fraud I think you should look up the definition of what fraud actually is, in the legal sense.</p>
<p>Furthermore, yes any school you apply to will require you to turn in grades from any institution of higher learning. Whether you do or not, is up to you.</p>
<p>Oxford English Dictionary…</p>
<p>[Definition</a> of Fraud](<a href=“http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50089552?query_type=word&queryword=fraud&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=1&search_id=kYgt-L7yNPo-7661&hilite=50089552]Definition”>http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50089552?query_type=word&queryword=fraud&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=1&search_id=kYgt-L7yNPo-7661&hilite=50089552)</p>
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<li>a. Criminal deception; the using of false representations to obtain an unjust advantage or to injure the rights or interests of another.</li>
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<p>or, law.com Dictionary…</p>
<p>[Definition</a> of Constructive Fraud](<a href=“Legal Dictionary | Law.com”>Legal Dictionary | Law.com)</p>
<p>constructive fraud
n. when the circumstances show that someone’s actions give him/her an unfair advantage over another by unfair means (lying or not telling a buyer about defects in a product, for example), the court may decide from the methods used and the result that it should treat the situation as if there was actual fraud even if all the technical elements of fraud have not been proven.</p>
<p>This is an interesting topic, so just to play a bit of devil’s advocate…</p>
<p>If he applied as a freshman applicant (as he indicated in the OP), then he would be competing against other high school applicants on the basis of his high school record and absolutely nothing done afterward. Hence he’ll have no advantage that he wouldn’t have had when applying fresh out of high school, so he couldn’t possibly have an unjust advantage in particular.</p>
<p>It’s not a loophole (unless you do what that trojan guy did and recieve some sort of block on your record, but there are certain stipulations with that agreement.)</p>
<p>It’s just lying. If you received financial aid for a prior institution or attended another school, they will know. Save yourself the trouble and just don’t do it.</p>
<p>They ask you in your application if you’ve attended any schools since graduating high school. They ask this for a reason.</p>
<p>Whenever you apply for admission to an accredited college/university in the US, you are obliged to submit official transcripts from every other accredited college and university in the US that you have ever attended. </p>
<p>Some of this requirement is so that the place you are applying to can see what your academic track record is like, but some of it is just so that when the accreditation committee comes by for a visit they can pull out any random file and say “See, all of our students’ records are accurate and up-to-date.” And, frankly, they’d rather deny admission to any one random applicant because the file is incomplete or even expel any one random student if they determine after admission that the file is incomplete, than have the accreditation committee conduct a full shake-down of the records office and threaten loss of accreditation.</p>
<p>Just about very place you ever apply in your life will have seen grades even worse than yours. Do your best to improve your grades, and don’t look back.</p>
<p>Wishing you the very best.</p>
<p>Hey cal bear… </p>
<p>Notice the first part of your defenition is “a criminal deception…”, not telling the full truth on an application is neither criminal nor illegal, and under no cirumstances will a perosn be charged with a criminal misdemeanor or felony for doing so.</p>
<p>And your second example is on a basis of defrauding someone else
So again get clear on what your definition of “fraud” is.</p>
<p>@ Van Chowder</p>
<p>Lying on a university application in itself does not appear to be illegal. But If the person is accepted into a university and receives ANY funds (from either the University or through Financial Aid) it most certainly would be considered fraud. So, if the student has the resources to pay for his/her full ride to the transfer institution, they are only risking their academic future. If they are not from families in the upper-income brackets they risk far more.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/education/10yale.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/education/10yale.html</a></p>
<p>So let’s not call it fraud. Let’s call it a deceit:</p>
<p>[Oxford</a> English Dictionary Definition of Deceit](<a href=“http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50058591?query_type=word&queryword=deceit&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=1&search_id=zFnf-7SGCfT-13299&hilite=50058591]Oxford”>http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50058591?query_type=word&queryword=deceit&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=1&search_id=zFnf-7SGCfT-13299&hilite=50058591)</p>
<p>[law.com</a> Dictionary Definition of Deceit](<a href=“Legal Dictionary | Law.com”>Legal Dictionary | Law.com)</p>
<p>@CalBear 2009</p>
<p>That is because it is not illegal. Lying when it comes to fin aid most certainly IS a crime, but that is not what we were discussing now was it? The op never said anything about trying to pull a fast on on financial aid. I would also like to point out that going to UC Berkeley(Which im assuming is the school you go to) for instate residents is ~$10k/yr which seems fairly affordable to most everyone not in the lower part of the income bracket. </p>
<p>You fail.</p>
<p>@Van Chowder</p>
<p>I am pointing out to the op the problems that could arise from his/her possible actions. And I can see by your post that you don’t fully understand the costs associated with attending a university. It costs about $24K/yr to attend Cal for an in-state student (tuition is only one of the costs, and it is actually quite low). 65% of Cal students receive some form of financial aid. Private institutions also give various amounts to students who have family incomes below a certain level (except those which don’t grant to transfer students at all). The point of my last post was to show the op what might happen as a result of his/her possible future plans. I informed him/her that unless he/she had wealthy parents, who could absorb the total costs associated with university studies, that he/she might face greater problems than just academic reprisal. It’s not about wins or fails… grow up. It’s about helping someone before they make a mistake that could affect their entire future.</p>