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<p>Sure, but it’s kind of the mark of a loser to draw such fine distinctions.</p>
<p>It’s like meeting someone who won a bronze medal in the Olympics and thinking, “well, but you didn’t win the gold.” They were on the freakin’ Olympic team - best in the country / best in the world … <em>that’s</em> what you focus on, not the tiers.</p>
<p>I personally know a kid who got into H and P and was waitlisted at D. I know another kid who got into C and D and was waitlisted at the U of C. I know another kid who got into D and the U of C and was rejected at Georgetown. And on and on. All of this stuff is ridiculous, and the idea that someone would take it upon themselves to rank the supposed admissions achievements of people who were accepted at various Ivies is the most ridiculous thing of all.</p>
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<p>I don’t really see it that way. Being admitted/attending an ivy league school isn’t like winning the Olympics. Schools in the conference, no doubt, are among the finest universities in the US, and the world. But they’re not that because they’re members of that conference. Few, for example, would say that Dartmouth’s better than Stanford. And those who did most certainly wouldn’t say it’s because Dartmouth’s ‘an ivy league.’</p>
<p>We’re talking about universities here. If people attend them, they should do so due to fit, education, or perhaps tradition. Not because it’s a member of some arbitrary conference.</p>
<p>This takes me to my final point. It’s also pretty laughable that people are annoyed by fine distinctions within a conference that’s surrounded by elitism in the first place.</p>
<p>Personally I would prefer Brown over HYP for undergraduate. I don’t really see how HYP students are in any way more superior than students at Brown or columbia if we look only at the admission rates.</p>
<p>Generalizing here, but at most competitive high schools the smartest kids get into and end up at hypsm Williams, and Amherst. Usually if one can get into hyp they can get into the so -called lower ivies, duke, georgetown, u of c etc. It doesn’t usually work the other way around.</p>
<p>^ Wrong many students are rejected from Dartmouth and Columbia that get into HYP</p>
<p>Really? Hyp students can’t get into lower ivies? Perhaps d and c1 are more concerned about yield and don’t want to admit students that will end up at hyp anyway.</p>
<p>That might have been a legitimate retort if it wasn’t for the fact that the average Dartmouth admit has almost the same grades/SAT/ACT as the average Harvard admit</p>
<p>To me it is an insulting term for highly selective Ivy League colleges, that are not HYP. It means that you are not selective except for ‘brand name’. My daughter only applied to Brown and Yale so we don’t know if she would have been accepted to other ‘higher ivy’s’ but she was accepted to every other school including Berkeley. She went to Brown, waitlisted for Yale, but declined the waitlist because so excited about Brown.</p>
<p>Now she is in a top 10 grad PhD program for Computer Science and has done 2 Software Engineering internships at Google. Brown has an exceptionally good CS dept, so I don’t know if she would have been drawn to CS except for the Brown experience. She didn’t start with that, so in another school it may not have gone that way.</p>
<p>I don’t think that term is meant for any other school than an Ivy. Not a ‘near Ivy’ or similar school, but just the Football Conference.</p>
<p>Saw the preview of a movie last night, called “Celeste and Jesse forever”. In it they make fun of Cornell not really being an ivy, or being a lowly, easier one (I forget the exact verbiage). But it was funny!</p>
<p>*** edit*** Cute movie, by the way! <a href=“http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/movies/celeste-and-jesse-forever-stars-rashida-jones.html[/url]”>http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/movies/celeste-and-jesse-forever-stars-rashida-jones.html</a></p>
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<p>Having similar stats doesn’t mean as much as you think it does. Many are shocked around admissions to learn that their son/daughters are rejected with high SAT/ACT scores. Harvard doesn’t want test takers, they want future leaders. And that can’t be determined from test scores.</p>
<p>Loosely related, here’s what Lisa Simpson has to say about the difference between Harvard and Brown :D</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gUqwNcgzfI[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gUqwNcgzfI</a></p>
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<p>Oh, give me a break. </p>
<p>Look at the test scores, for god’s sake. They didn’t happen by accident. Yes, I would agree that both H and Y go for the “I’m so special” types who are convinced of their own importance. (Not that every student at either school fits that description. But a hell of a lot do.) But please do note that Dartmouth rejects 68% of students with an 800 on the CR portion of the SAT, and an even higher percentage of those with an 800 on the M portion. Apparently they too are looking for something BEYOND test scores.</p>
<p>Frankly, I find it rather interesting that a UCLA student is so slavish in his/her admiration for H and so eager to put down other Ivies.</p>