<p>"i'm trying to say that even though one may be an adcom, one still hax no right to ask someone to verify a parent's death or illness"</p>
<p>I think that there are ways of doing this without seeming callous. I would imagine that applicants whose parents have died or are ill would rather adcoms verify this information than allow in students who lie about such info.</p>
<p>For instance, someone posted on CC about a student from their school who got into college after lying and saying they'd donated a kidney to a relative. Too bad that student wasn't checked up on!</p>
<p>I have been studying the college admissions game for over 2 years, and i found NUMEROUS ways one can cheat into places like UCs and even Ivies. This can be done without you getting caught. The admission process is extremely flawed.</p>
<p>KillerAngel,
Have you spent the same amount of time figuring out legitmate ways of getting into UCs and Ivies?
And how do you really know that one can cheat one's way in?</p>
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i'm trying to say that even though one may be an adcom, one still hax no right to ask someone to verify a parent's death or illness.
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<p>So on the first page of your application, will you indicate that your parent (s) are deceased.</p>
<p>what about paying for your education (on the off chance that you don't have $45,000 lying around and the checking account is not in the name of the deceased parent)</p>
<p>The truth is going to eventually come out through your financial aid documents and the your parents tax documents. If you are a minor, and collectin Social security, you will have to turn in a copy of your award letter.</p>
<p>hmm...
I really hate the admissions process.....its got so many flaws in it!!!!
Sometimes I feel like emailing them or calling their office and tell them who
I am and the names of the cheaters that I know!!!!! ....That will gimme peace!
as Audioslave says....."To be yourself is all that you can do"....that's right...if you cheat and lie in your applications...........that is all that you can do.......you can only cheat and lie</p>
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KillerAngel,
Have you spent the same amount of time figuring out legitmate ways of getting into UCs and Ivies?
And how do you really know that one can cheat one's way in?
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<p>I actually studied more with the Ivy admissions. As for how one can cheat their way in, I'd rather keep that to myself :)</p>
<p>KillerAngel, how do you know that the ways to cheat oneself in will not be detectable? And how did you manage to study admissions so well as to know these things? Adcoms aren't very open about admission.</p>
<p>The snitcher vs accomplice thing gets to me too. </p>
<p>One of my closest friends lied to your GC, teachers, and one his Harvard application about some of his ECs. He also used an essay that someone else used but in another geographic area. I read the essay (thinking it was his), and it wasn't even that good! It was typical, but it got the other guys/girl/iono in (last year). He called me the other day crying when he found out the other person had applied to Harvard too. I was practically laughing on the other line, but a big part of me pitied him too. He has worked hard over the years, and I just think it is so ridiculous and dumb of him to think that he even had to lie. It's amazing that a person can be that smart and that involved and STILL think they aren't good enough (even if he would have been rejected at least it woulve been on his own merits). If Harvard does figure out that he took someone's essays and fabricated/made up some ECs, well, they'll probably find out and call all the colleges he applied to and then he'll have nowhere to go except community college. That's the rant I had for him. He should've just settled with the truth. He's never going to feel like he deserves his acceptance (if he gets it) if he is there. And that's the worst feeling he could probably have. </p>
<p>P.S. i applied to harvard and probably won't get in...so, yes, a little bit of this is also the personal feeling that he's an idiot that will at least have better chances than me of getting in....(he'd have better chances even if he didn't lie.)</p>
<p>The easiest way to get in somewhere is to lie about your race, if that colleges looks at race. I could be 100% white, say I am black, and they can do nothing if they find out after they accept me. Why? Cause then, they will be using the concept of race to deny someone, after they already stated that they cannot do that. I didn't do this, but I figured out that people can do this. </p>
<p>Think about this. If College X likes me and lets me in, but they also liked that I was Race Y, then they find out that I am not Race Y. What can they do? Oh, get out, because you aren't this race. No, thats racist. They would have liked me as Race Y, but as soon as I am not Race Y they deny me. That's racist. Therefore, they are in a sticky situation. And, if they kicked me out, I could sue on the basis of them being racist, then they would lose federal funding.</p>
<p>A college which found that you had lied about something on your application would have no problems kicking you out. They wouldn't be kicking you out because of your race, but because you lied.</p>
<p>I read in an admissions book about a girl who got into brown because of a tape of her beautiful piano playing. her acceptance got rescinded when the adcom found out her mom had sent in the tape unbeknownst to her, and she actually had never touched a piano in her life.</p>
<p>another girl applying to brown put down so man ecs that the adcom was forced to doubt she could fit it all in. he counted up all the hours and it actually amounted to more hours than there are in a week! </p>
<p>also, lying can get you ahead. proof: everyone loves edison; no one ever gives tribute to nikolas tesla.</p>
<p>Question: Where do colleges get their power to kick students out should they discover that a student embellished a very small fraction of their ECs? If it is a private school that explicitly has an honor code with a self-certification statement that states that the applicant will be kicked out if the activities are not 100 percent correct, I can see it fly. I've been studying expulsions from schools, and have never found any official case where a student was booted out for such an offense. I've seen it happen in cases where students cheated for offenses that were held in the school. </p>
<p>Schools often claim that their power to kick students out for embellished activities come from the self-certification, agreement, and self-signature section of their application. This can be found in the Common Application. </p>
<p>What if a school does not have anything like this, and just has a blank form that requires you to fill it in. No agreement, or anything? This seems to be a self-moral issue that students would need to consider. Thoughts?</p>