Macs or PCs?

<p>This is a totally pointless fluff topic designed to keep me from doing something dumb like submit my KU housing form.</p>

<p>So, Macs or PCs? What type do you have and/or which type do you prefer?</p>

<p>I ask because I have a G4 21" iMac (which is a family computer), a 15" G4 PowerBook (my personal computer), an iPod Photo (which is mine) and I've used Macs in journalism for three years. I'll be bringing my laptop to school with me. I'd die without my iTunes and my playlists.</p>

<p>Are most of you getting Mac laptops, or doing the Dell/Vaio thing? For those of you already on a campus, do most students have Macs or PC notebooks?</p>

<p>These are the types of things I think about. Not really.</p>

<p>I live in a Mac household. They're more expensive, and some types of software come in less variety, but ah, they're beautiful. I guess I'll get a powerbook when I get there (college).</p>

<p>Over the summer you will get information from the school regarding computers. The campus has an authorized Mac and Dell service center on campus. If you wish you can order your computer through the school, it will come fully loaded, you will pick it up on campus on move in day, plug in and go (blitz- dartmouth e-mail, wireless, applications and everything will already be set up. Note- if you are bringing your own computer and you have Windows XP home, you will have to upgrade to the professional edition).</p>

<p>We used this option last year Daughter converted to MAC purchased a 12 in pwerbook and she loves it. It is light weight she can slip it in any of her book bags and goes. Although there is green print (community printers on campus, the location of the printer is not always convienent or if you are a night owl you may not feel like walking up.downstairs, etc. for a printer. In short, bring your own (or coordinate this with your roommate). You can order your printer through Dartmouth with your computer or you can bring your own (ended up sending a computer after D told me that the green print was a bit of a walk). In addition, you have an allocated number of prints (b/w and color on your green print account- you go over , you get charged)</p>

<p>Here is the link to the supported Harware and sofrware at Dartmouth:
<a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/comp/about/policies/software/supported.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/comp/about/policies/software/supported.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Supported Hardware</p>

<p>Apple Macintosh Computers
[ul]
[<em>]iBooks
[</em>]iMacs
[<em>]eMacs
[</em>]MacMini
[<em>]Macintosh G5s (desktop models)
[</em>]Macintosh G4s (desktop and PowerBook models)
[li]Macintosh G3s (desktop and PowerBook models) [/li][/ul]</p>

<p>Dell Computers</p>

<p>[ul]
[<em>]OptiPlex models
[</em>]Latitude models
[li]Precision models [/li][/ul]</p>

<p>(School does not support Dell Inspiron or Dimension models or any non-Dell Windows computers.) </p>

<p>Personal Information Managers</p>

<p>See specific Palm Support Policies </p>

<p>Printers
[ul]
Epson Printers
Xerox and HP laser printers
(Pitney Bowes printers are supported directly by Imagistics.)
/list]</p>

<p>Modems/Networking
[list]
[<em>]Apple and Dell factory-installed internal modems and networking cards
[</em>]3Com and Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet/Modem Combo cards
[<em>]3Com and Xircom 10/100 Ethernet cards
[</em>]Cisco Aironet 350 wireless LAN adapter cards
[<em>]Dell TrueMobile wireless cards
[</em>]Apple Airport and Airport Extreme wireless cards
<a href="Apple%20Airport%20base%20stations%20are%20not%20supported%20and%20are%20not%20allowed%20on%20the%20campus%20network,%20but%20may%20be%20purchased%20for%20home%20use.">*</a>
[/ul]</p>

<p>Monitors
[ul]
Flat Panel Displays manufactured by Apple and Dell
CRT monitors manufactured by Apple and Dell
[/ul]</p>

<p>Storage Devices</p>

<p>[ul]
[<em>]Iomega Floppy/Zip drives
[</em>]USB Flash drives (also known as pocket drives, jump drives, or memory sticks)
[li]LaCie AIT, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW (USB and FireWire) [/li][/ul]</p>

<p>Supported Software</p>

<p>See specific details about the Dartmouth and Microsoft Campus Agreement.</p>

<p>Supported Operating Systems (OS)</p>

<p>[ul]
[<em>]Mac OS 9.2 and higher (including Mac OS X)
[</em>]Windows 98 SE, 2000 Professional, and XP Professional (we do not support [li]Windows 95, Windows NT, Windows ME, or the Windows XP Home Edition).[/li][/ul]</p>

<p>See Support for Windows Operating Systems.
See specific Palm Support Policies. </p>

<p>Supported Dial-in Access to the Dartmouth Network</p>

<p>[ul]
[li]We support all Macintosh and Windows built-in dial-up software for supported operating systems dialing into the Dartmouth network. [/li]Computing Services does not provide support for home networks or for Internet Service Providers. Any questions you may have regarding home networking or setup configurations should be directed to the ISP from which you are purchasing services. </p>

<p>[li]Computing Services recommends you confirm an ISP's ability to support your computer model and operating system before you enter into an agreement with them. Be sure they are familiar with the Macintosh, Windows, or UNIX operating system on your computer and can help troubleshoot connectivity problems you may have when trying to connect to their network. [/li][/ul]</p>

<p>Desktop Applications</p>

<p>[ul]
[<em>]Microsoft Office 98, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, X, XP and higher (only Word, [</em>]PowerPoint, and Excel)
[<em>]FileMaker (versions 4.0v3, 4.1v3, 5, 6, 7, and higher)
[</em>]BlitzMail version 2.5.3 or higher for the Macintosh and version 2.6.3 or higher for Windows
[<em>]Thunderbird version 1.0 and higher (Support limited to installation and basic configuration help only)
[</em>]Kerberos (KClient and SideCar)
[<em>]KeyAccess version 5.1.0.2 and higher for Windows and version 5.2.0 and higher for the Macintosh
[</em>]Fetch version 4 or higher
[<em>]NetBackUp Professional version 4.5 and higher for Windows and NetBackUp [</em>]Data Center version 4.5 and higher for the Macintosh
[<em>]Retrospect version 5.5 and higher for Windows and version 4.3 and higher for the Macintosh
[</em>]Netscape version 7.x and higher for Windows and version 7.x and higher for the Macintosh
[<em>]Internet Explorer version 5.5 (with service packs) and higher for Windows and version 5.1 and higher for the Macintosh
[</em>]Safari version 1.0 and higher
[<em>]Mozilla version 1.0 and higher
[</em>]Adobe Acrobat Reader version 5.1 and higher
[<em>]MacSSH version 1.0 and higher
[</em>]Nifty Telnet version 1.1 SSH and higher
[<em>]JellyfiSSH version 2.0 and higher
[</em>]AbsoluteFTP version 2.0 and higher
[<em>]SecureCRT version 3.2 and higher
[</em>]FTP Explorer version 1.0 and higher
[<em>]GraphicConverter version 4 and higher
[</em>]Symantec AntiVirus (Corporate Edition) - Macintosh version 7.0.2 and higher; Windows version 7.6.x and higher
[<em>]VPN version 4.0.2A and higher for Windows and version 4.0.1A and higher for the Macintosh
[</em>]Sygate version 4.0 and higher for Windows
[<em>]GreenPrint version 6 and higher for Windows and Macintosh
[</em>]CorporateTime version 4.2 and higher for the Macintosh and version 5.1 and higher on Windows
[<em>]Oracle Calendar version 9.0.4 and higher
[</em>]CorporateSync version 2.1 and 3.x
[li]Oracle Calendar Sync version 9.0.4 and higher[/li][/ul]</p>

<p>PCs > Macs...anyday :)</p>

<p>I don't know how to use them, but Macs are so cool looking....</p>

<p>most students buy computers throught dartmouth?</p>

<p>I would have to say we did see a lot of students picking up computers on campus when we went to pick up my daughter's computer (she is not a tech savvy person so that was one aggravation that I did not want). Part of me was a little upset because she had just gotten a new laptop for christmas as a gift from my sister, and 9 months later here I am purchasing another computer. She was not a Mac user before she went to Dartmouth (we were a loyal and faithful Dell family) but she loves it.</p>

<p>The school did give you a choice, I think it was 4 Macs and 3 Dells that ranged from $1300 to $2100</p>

<p>For Macs the choice was:</p>

<p>ibook
G4 12 inch powerbook
G4 15 inch powerbook
G4 15 in powerbook with Superdrive (and I think a bigger hard drive)</p>

<p>Hers was about $1600.</p>

<p>If you can't afford to pay for it out right the school will give you a loan to purchase your computer.</p>

<p>Since Mac mini's are out, they may be an option this year.</p>

<p>However, her roommate did bring her PC from home had a few kinks in the beginning and eventually worked them out. In the end it is going to be a matter or personal choice. Technical people will bring their own, technophobes like me will purchase and those with old computers use it as an opportunity to upgrade.</p>

<p>Is the tech support available to students who bring their own computers (as long as they are supported by Dartmouth)?</p>

<p>Also, how much is the Dartmouth Software Package?</p>

<p>PC - ease of use - attractiveness of system = Mac</p>

<p>Apple...more like Crapple</p>

<p>apple...more like crabapple</p>

<p>windows...more like winblowz</p>

<p>inux...more like superior operating system</p>

<p>IvyH2O,</p>

<p>Dartmouth does not support Dell Inspiron or Dimension models or any non-Dell Windows computers.</p>

<p>I don't know how much a software package cost because we just purchased the new PC through Dartmouth and it came fully loaded. I know that if you have Windows XP home, you must change to Windows XP Professional so you cna have access to the network, you have to get a wireless card, and all ot this has to be configured. They will explain all of this over the summer.</p>

<p>Dartmouth's link to personal computer ownership requirements:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/comp/support/library/start/using-pc/ownership-req.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/comp/support/library/start/using-pc/ownership-req.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Following are some frequently asked questions regarding the computer ownership requirement.</p>

<p>Do I Have to Buy a Personal Computer?</p>

<p>Dartmouth requires all incoming undergraduate students to own a personal computer. To assist with this, the College sells computers to students at academically discounted prices. If you already own a computer that you plan to bring, you may not need to purchase another one; however, there are many advantages to having a new computer, especially one purchased through Dartmouth. First, a computer purchased through Dartmouth will already have much of the software needed by students installed on it. Second, Dartmouth can provide on-site service and support for the products that we sell. If you have a problem with a computer that is not one of the models recommended by Dartmouth or you are running an unsupported operating system, you will need to go off campus for help.</p>

<p>You will use your personal computer for electronic mail, to register for classes, review course materials, submit assignments, search library catalogs, surf the World Wide Web, and more. Any computer you use should be new enough to take full advantage of all of these resources.</p>

<p>When Will I Receive Additional Information About the Computer Ownership Requirement?</p>

<p>In late May, you will receive a flyer reminding you that you will be receiving a computer information packet in late June. We strongly encourage you to postpone the purchase of a computer until you receive this packet.</p>

<p>The packet will include a newsletter describing the computer ownership requirement, our recommended Apple and Dell computers, and ordering instructions. The newsletter will include sections on "Choosing a Computer Package: What to Buy, What’s Included," "Learning About Computing at Dartmouth," "Buy from Us, Or Bring Your Own?," and "The Fine Print: What You Need to Know When Placing Your Order." Also included in the packet will be an order form, a letter from Financial Aid, and a sheet describing the computer packages.</p>

<p>Finally, in late July or early August, you will receive a letter explaining computer orientation activities. Computers ordered through Dartmouth are made available during orientation. These computers are available at special educational prices. The letter will explain the computer education activities planned during Orientation Week for all incoming undergraduate students, and will tell you when we will distribute the pre-ordered personal computers and computer materials.</p>

<p>Why Should I Purchase My Computer from Dartmouth?</p>

<p>The system you purchase from Dartmouth will be competitively priced, preconfigured for our network, and preloaded with operating system software, Microsoft Office, Symantec AntiVirus, Dartmouth’s electronic mail program, Sygate Personal Firewall, an FTP client, and a Web browser.</p>

<p>Students who buy their computers from Dartmouth say they have far fewer problems getting started on our network. They also have the essential suite of software tools properly installed and ready to use.</p>

<p>Most of the support issues we see with computers that are brought from home have to do with network compatibility. Specifically, most of the problems can be traced to hardware components such as wireless or Ethernet cards or with system level software configurations. In some cases, these problems cannot be resolved, and as a result, these systems do not meet the computer ownership requirement. You should not assume that because you are bringing a relatively new brand name computer that it will work properly on our network or meet the ownership requirement.</p>

<p>Additionally, if you experience a problem with a computer that is not one of our supported models, you will be referred off campus for support. Resolving the problem may require time and money – and leave you without a computer in the meantime.</p>

<p>Any computer on the Dartmouth network must be properly configured and have antivirus protection installed and active. Computers that contract viruses will be denied access to the network until all viruses have been removed.</p>

<p>If you plan to bring a computer from home, or if you purchase a used computer, you can purchase or order the commercial software, cables, and accessories from Dartmouth’s Computer Sales and Service. On many items, Computer Sales and Service is able to obtain academic pricing that can save you money.</p>

<p>What Computers Are Being Recommended to Incoming Students?</p>

<p>Dartmouth offers a number of computer packages to incoming students. At this time, we have not finalized our decision on the recommended packages. To keep up to date on the most current information, we suggest you monitor the Class of 2009 Web site (<a href="http://2009.dartmouth.edu/)%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://2009.dartmouth.edu/)&lt;/a>. We will post information as it becomes available.</p>

<p>Should I Purchase a Laptop or Desktop Computer?</p>

<p>Dartmouth recommends that students purchase laptop computers. Laptop computers take advantage of our extensive wireless network and allow students to work on their computers from anywhere on campus.</p>

<p>Are There Any Types of Computers Not Recommended?</p>

<p>You can choose to purchase a new or used system from a source other than Dartmouth. However, we can only support the specific computer packages we recommend. When your computer packet arrives in late June, please read it carefully before purchasing any computer so you will know which system will best fit your needs.</p>

<p>Dartmouth Peter Kiewit Computing Services supports only Macintosh computers and the Dell Latitude laptop and OptiPlex desktop lines of computers running Mac OS X or Windows XP Professional. If you bring a personal computer other than one of the recommended models, you will need to take your computer off campus for repair. We do not support Dell Dimension and Inspiron computers. Students who bring computers other than those recommended sometimes have problems getting their computers connected to the Dartmouth network, even though the computer appears to meet our specifications.</p>

<p>If you plan to bring a new computer that matches the specifications of the packages recommended, you will be asked to call the incoming student computer hotline (that number will be activated in late June) to discuss your options and to find out about the standards for network interface cards and other key components.</p>

<p>What Operating Systems Does Dartmouth Support?</p>

<p>Dartmouth supports Apple’s Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows XP Professional operating systems. We do not support Windows 98, XP Home or Windows ME. If you purchase a Windows computer through Dartmouth, it will come with Windows XP Professional. If you purchase a Macintosh computer through Dartmouth, it will come with Mac OS X. If you bring a computer to Dartmouth running an unsupported operating system and have questions or problems with it, we will not be able to help you. If you have any unsupported Windows operating system, software is available to Dartmouth students from Computer Sales and Service to upgrade to Windows XP Professional for $20.</p>

<p>Is Financial Aid Available to Help With the Purchase of A Computer?</p>

<p>Yes, financial aid is available to eligible students. You will receive a letter from the Financial Aid Office in the packet of information you receive in late June explaining that need-based loans are available to cover the cost of one of the basic computer packages. If you choose to defer your purchase of a personal computer until you arrive on campus, or if you elect to buy elsewhere, any financial aid that you would be awarded for the purchase of a computer through Dartmouth is applicable to that purchase. If you are ineligible for financial aid, financing arrangements are sometimes available through the manufacturers, through local (New Hampshire) banks, or through private sources that specialize in educational loans.</p>

<p>When Can I Pick Up My Computer?</p>

<p>During Orientation Week, there will be a specific day when computers will be distributed. This date will be included in the information packet you receive in late June. You do not have the option of paying for your computer ahead of time, picking it up early, or having it sent to you.</p>

<p>Should I Buy a Printer?</p>

<p>The College provides print services, but some students prefer to have their own printer. Printers may be ordered with your computer or purchased when you arrive on campus. Print services (known as GreenPrint) are located in several locations around campus and are available for student use over the network. Each student is provided with an allocation of free black-and-white printing each term (currently $40). This is the equivalent of approximately 600 pages. Color printing is not provided free of charge. When quotas are exceeded or in the event you need color printing, charges will be incurred and transferred to your DA$H discretionary spending account. Financial aid is not available for the purchase of printers.</p>

<p>Will There Be Basic Training Sessions on How to Use the Computer I Purchase?</p>

<p>Yes. We provide training during the orientation period. You will be informed of the locations of these sessions in the Orientation booklet you receive from the First Year Office when you arrive on campus.</p>

<p>These orientation sessions introduce important aspects of the Dartmouth computing environment, such as the network and public computing resources around campus. Materials will be given out that describe how to use our computer resources and services.</p>

<p>In addition, Dartmouth Computing Services provides help year-round through our Computing Help Desk, Computer Sales and Service, and our Apple and Dell certified technicians.</p>

<p>Who Should I Call for More Information?</p>

<p>Please remember that there is no rush to buy a computer. It’s better to wait to take advantage of our academically discounted prices and value-added services.</p>

<p>Our advice is to relax and wait until you receive our packet in late June. Read it carefully, and if you still have questions, call the hotline number listed in the packet. That number will be activated and staffed in late June.</p>

<p>Thank you so much, sybbie. This is very helpful.</p>

<p>-H2O-</p>

<p>i must second that thank you, it cleared up many questions that i had concerning whether i should be looking into getting my own computer or waiting</p>

<p>YOU ARE OUR [size=+4]DARTMOUTH GUARDIAN ANGEL!!!!!!!!![/size]</p>

<p>and...</p>

<p>i<3DARTMOUTH</p>

<p>Hey, I just realised what "i<3DARTMOUTH" means. I had thought previously that it was something to the key of "3 Dartmouths are greater than me." Now I get it though. I'm such a dope.</p>

<p>aahahahhahhaahha HILARIOUS KIWI!!</p>

<p>silly, silly ;)</p>

<p>i<3kiwis too...</p>

<p>and...</p>

<p>i<3dartmouth</p>

<p>Sybbie,</p>

<p>I have one more question:
I have heard that macs previously prevailed at Dartmouth, but now it's more practical to have a PC. I would much rather use a mac, though. I know your daughter has a mac, and I have not seen any evidence of problems on your posts. Have you heard of this?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>-H2O-</p>

<p>There was a time I think where more people used macs, now it has shifted to more people using PC's. MY daughter is a new mac convert and has had no problem with her machine. I think it is still a matter of person preference.</p>