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<p>Nope, but one of the students that stayed in Ohio has an older sibling that is an alumnus of Kenyon. In this particular family, it really wasn't an option to go to school far away. At this particular school, kids going to school OOS is about 70-75% in recent history. There seems to be a huge preference for private schools as well. The instate publics are mostly safety options IMO, unless it is a distinguished program such as UC's DAAP program, or College Conservatory of Music or something like that.</p>
<p>One of the things that come to mind for me is even though there are tough economic times, significant numbers of the top students in Ohio are still finding opportunities to study elsewhere, either due to the fact that they are in a position to afford OOS tuition, or that OOS schools are presenting affordable options to Ohio high achievers or both. It remains to be seen should those that choose OOS undergrad options, and don't return to Ohio, how that would impact Ohio intellectually and otherwise, with regard to recruiting and retaining its top students.</p>
<p>Or Oberlin? Or Ohio U? Or Case Western? I happen to think that Ohio has some great choices. Case gives great merit awards as does Denison. I know many out of state kids who have chosen Miami U or Ohio U. </p>
<p>Our state has reasonable in state costs, but we get very few OOSers. It could use more. Upon reading the OP's presented article, I am not surprised that the schools mentioned have few kids going to state schools. My sons' private school has few kids going to state schools, OOS or otherwise. There are years that NO ONE goes to one of our in state schools. Private college are the norm for private school kids. Catholic schools tend to send many kids to the catholic schools. It's the middle of the road, and upper middle public schools that send the most kids to their own state schools. </p>
<p>However, many private schools outside of Ohio send kids to Oberlin, Denison, Miami, Kenyon, Case Western. Our high school sends more kids to those schools then to our own state unis.</p>
<p>I'm an Ohio student headed to Northwestern. I really liked Case Western and received one of the top merits awards they offered, but it just wasn't financially feasible. They offered me $8,000 in loans with no cap mentioned while Northwestern has a cap for those who qualify. I may have gone to Case if the aid had been better. My efc was around $6,700 and I'm paying $7,500 for NU. I did get a great deal from Miami, but I didn't feel like I would fit in and felt like I would probably end up as just a number. I also got full-tuition scholarships at the University of Pittsburgh and Bowling Green. Financial aid was a huge factor for me (I also have a brother attending attending) and I'm really excited that it is possible for me to attend Northwestern.</p>
<p>The newspaper article would have had more impact about students leaving the state if they had several examples other than Stanford and Yale; are Ohio students choosing other states' public U's over their own? It would make a statement if the top students were rejecting Ohio schools for those comparable to them in surrounding states. Choosing an OOS private school seems like less of a threat to the state as choosing an OOS public one does.</p>
<p>I can't comment on all Ohio graduates,but at the University of Cincinnnati, it is over 90% Ohioians. It certainly doesn't help to have their out of state tuition ( before scholarships) hit $23,000 per year! Even their in-state tuition at $9,900 isn't such as a deal, although UC does offer a number of merit scholarships with their Cincinnnatus Scholarship program. They use to give at least $5,000 to qualified OOS folks but that has been reduced to $2,000 ( with extra for need based aid). Paying $21,000+ in tuition as an out of state person is more than most state universities charge around the country.</p>
<p>Isn't the OOS tuition similar, or less than the universities in the Northeast: UConn, UVM, Towson (thought I would throw that one in for you), Rutgers, University of Rhode Island? I would think that U of Cincinnati would need to entice a student if they wanted them from the west or east coast. Why go to Cincinnati if you can go to a good California instate school, if they have the major you'd like?</p>
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<p>If too many top students are leaving Ohio, it's a concern to those who are wanting to develop and cultivate the top students in their home colleges. Whether it's private vs public OOS wouldn't appear to matter from what i interpret out of the article. </p>
<p>There was a recent article about 3 kids that were chosen for Validictorian at a suburban public. That had GPA's of about 4.5. One chose Michigan State, one Georgetown, and the other Oberlin. As I stated before, many of these top kids are probably from wealthier families, and one might argue, more sophistication in their choice of college. Of the schools listed in the article, only 2 were inner city publics, and one, Walnut Hills, is considered a crown jewel among schools in this area. The others were private some very expensive, or affluent suburban. I don't know what strategy one could implement to keep significant numbers of these kids instate.</p>
<p>I neglected to mention that we are a public school. The OOS publics chosen were Univ of VA (2), Univ of Kentucky (2), Eastern Michigan Univ (2), Indiana Univ, Univ of Pitsburgh, Univ of Colorado Boulder, and West Virginia Univ. This is the first year we've had so many choosing Univ of Toledo. I really think the economy is the primary reason that kids are staying home.</p>
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<p>INSTATE tuition, room and board, books, etc, at OSU, Miami, and Cincinnati will run you over $20,000. </p>
<p>All these schools are overwhelmingly Ohioans. </p>
<p>It would be interesting to hear why some families with top performers chose the OOS option in their particular circumstances. Maybe there is a correlation.</p>
<p>Toledo, no top students choosing Michigan or MSU? I understand that in your neck of the woods, those schools are a big draw.</p>
<p>Northeastmom notes,"Isn't the OOS tuition similar, or less than the universities in the Northeast: UConn, UVM, Towson (thought I would throw that one in for you), Rutgers, University of Rhode Island? I would think that U of Cincinnati would need to entice a student if they wanted them from the west or east coast. Why go to Cincinnati if you can go to a good California instate school, if they have the major you'd like?"</p>
<p>Response: You are asking a good question. The answer for most majors ( other than their notable Schools such as Conservatory of Music and School of Design, Art, Architecture and Planning,medical and law school) they don't get many OOS people! Interestingly, they have espoused the goal of attracting more out of state folks yet do nothing to encourage it. In fact, they seem to be actually discouraging it financially.</p>
<p>From what I can see, we have the same problem in NJ. Even free tuition with a laptop thrown in, won't do it for every family. Honestly, I would rather see the B/B+ middle class/poor kid get some money to help with instate costs than the brightest who can get a deal like Cooper Union, or Olin, or is offered a free ride at some other outstanding private school. That B student who comes from a middle class or poor family could use some help too.</p>
<p>Well, taxguy, if they do nothing to attract OOS students they won't get too many of them. This is what I see as a general problem for universities. OOS tuition is simply not affordable to most. They are pricing themselves out as an option to anyone but the rich. Some from rich families will go, and some won't. Wealthy families can choose between private schools like Tufts, Boston College, MIT, Babson, Providence, Bentley, Brandeis just to name some schools in MA, if the student has the stats. Even if the stats are not quite there, they could get personal attention at schools like Roger Williams, Quinnipiac,etc.. Why bother with OOS tuition at UConn, or UVM if you can attend a private school if you have the funds? UConn and UVM, I am sure are very nice, but if one can give up college sports, for small classes at the private schools, why not? Sure, UConn. might have more research opportunities, but at the undergrad. level there will be some large classes, and probably some TAs too.</p>
<p>Just editing this to say, that public Us. have already priced themselves out of the market for many many OOS students. They did that years ago.</p>
<p>At PSU Main (25K OOS), about 25-30% of students are OOS. Many from NJ and NY, some from Mass. A sprinkling from other states.
Financial aid is pretty horrible and merit packages are cheap compared to places like Pitt. So folks are willing to pay big bucks in some cases. I guess those Jersey and NY kids really don't like their state options.
Our son is at PSU (in state) but we would have been willing to pay OOS tuition for UVA. Didn't get in though! PSU with the honors college and scholarships was hard to turn down compared to full-price privates. Overall, I'd say Pitt and PSU do a pretty good job of keeping students in state...including some top students. Why would this be different for a place like OSU?</p>
<p>Here in my town, a lot of parents who surely don't think of themselves as rich still advocate public universities over private universities on cost (LIST price, I suppose) grounds. For example, a student studying out of state might study at Indiana, or Kansas, or any number of other state universities rather than even attempting to apply to most of the northeastern private universities. That's a regional phenomenon, I think.</p>
<p>Maybe it's just our area, but I think a bigger concern is keeping Ohio college graduates in our state after graduation. The Univ of Toledo Medical School only has 11% of it's students staying in NW Ohio for their residencies. 60% are leaving the state.</p>
<p>toledoblade.com</a> -- Medical students meet their matches; 11 percent will stay in northwest Ohio</p>
<p>Another reason students go OOS is to study at what is considered a good school in their field (engineering, business, etc). Students who have a specific major they want to study will look across publics and privates.</p>
<p>I visited Penn State and UMD, both schools that I could see having a wide appeal to folks. Ohio State is just humongous! A close friend of mine has two daughters there, and they absolutely love it, but I found it very intimidating. Now UMichigan is also enormous but with the town of Ann Arbor right there and the way the campus was broken up, I did not get the same feel as I did with OSU. But Ohio has other great schools too like Miami of Ohio that many out of staters really like or University of Ohio. Alot of kids from here like Oberlin, Case, Denison and Kenyon. Ohio certainly is not off the consideration charts here back east, as some states pretty much are.</p>
<p>Another Toledo area poster here who grew up in Michigan. It totally surprised me when my D graduated last year that so few choose Michigan schools - U of M is barely an hour away! (Depending on major, I would SO choose UM over OSU!)</p>
<p>It seems to me that Ohio overall has so, so many choices. Lots of publics, lots of privates, small, medium, large - you name it. Like Erin's Dad said, some people are looking for something REALLY specific - and if so, they are willing to travel without question. </p>
<p>But I have to say, Ohio really has many, many options.</p>