<p>In general, how much harder is OOS admissions at the top state universities? And are there any numbers out there, like SAT scores for admitted students - OOS? We're particularly interested in the top state schools: Virginia, UNCCH, Michigan, Texas, etc.</p>
<p>Some state schools have quotas on OOS students, some don’t. Michigan and UVA don’t, and each is about 35% OOS. It’s still probably harder to get in as an OOS applicant, but if your stats are competitive (around 75th percentile of enrolled freshmen) you should have a good chance. Other set quotas on OOS students; this includes UNC Chapel Hill, Texas, and the entire University of California system. There you’ll find it more difficult to gain admission as an OOS applicant—though certainly not impossible if your application is competitive.</p>
<p>i’m not sure what OOS stands for.</p>
<p>oos=out of state</p>
<p>bird,
The first calculation is how much emphasis a particular state has on enrolling OOS students. After that, it is a matter of understanding the demand for each of these places and how that might differ from the reported statistics for the State U. In most cases, the difficulty of admission from OOS will be more so than from IS, but the degree of this will differ sharply. </p>
<p>Here are some numbers that might help you compare the State Us ranked in the USNWR Top 75. Please note that these numbers are for overall undergraduates and not for the enrolling freshmen class. In some cases, the freshmen class will enroll a higher percentage of OOS students at a given State U:</p>
<p>% of OOS undergraduates , Overall Acceptance Rate , State University</p>
<p>2% , 52.6% , UC DAVIS
3% , 41.6% , UC SAN DIEGO
3% , 48.7% , UC IRVINE
3% , 70.1% , TEXAS A&M
3% , 71.7% , UC S CRUZ
4% , 49.2% , UC S BARBARA
4% , 39.5% , U FLORIDA
4% , 43.5% , U TEXAS
6% , 22.8% , UCLA
6% , 69.1% , U ILLINOIS
7% , 21.6% , UC BERKELEY
7% , 55.8% , RUTGERS
8% , 70.0% , MICHIGAN ST
11% , 62.3% , OHIO STATE
12% , 61.0% , U WASHINGTON
12% , 55.6% , U GEORGIA
17% , 34.0% , U N CAROLINA
17% , 55.4% , U PITTSBURGH
23% , 54.5% , U CONNECTICUT
24% , 39.2% , U MARYLAND
25% , 51.2% , PENN STATE
26% , 52.5% , U MINNESOTA
27% , 60.9% , GEORGIA TECH
28% , 36.7% , U VIRGINIA
29% , 53.8% , CLEMSON
32% , 34.1% , WILLIAM & MARY
32% , 52.7% , U WISCONSIN
32% , 65.4% , VIRGINIA TECH
34% , 70.7% , INDIANA U
35% , 42.1% , U MICHIGAN
37% , 82.3% , U IOWA
38% , 21.9% , USC
39% , 71.5% , PURDUE
64% , 56.0% , U DELWARE</p>
<p>Keep in mind, too, that if finances are a concern, virtually all public universities lack the funds to meet 100% of all applicants’ demonstrated financial need. Even in-state students may not get the funds they need. I think only 2 public universities guarantee to meet 100% of all students’ documented financial need: U Virginia and University of North Carolina. </p>
<p>Out of state tuition makes some public universities more expensive than some private colleges.</p>
<p>Not sure what this means statistically, but acceptance rates at UCLA and Cal, are listed as about the same, in state and out.</p>
<p>NSM makes a good point about State Us and their ability/willingness to meet the financial need of students. It is important to NOT accept the published financial aid statistics as an accurate guide. One needs to do more digging on the availability of financial aid at a given State U. Why? The published numbers don’t differentiate between IS and OOS students. However, many publics will differentiate in their practices, ie, make more or full financial aid available to IS students, but not to OOS students. Furthermore, in the current stressed financial environment, I would expect this difference to be even more pronounced. </p>
<p>Presently, the only two State Us that promise to meet the full need of IS and OOS students are U Virginia and U North Carolina (CH).</p>
<p>I meant to attach this listing to the prior post. Again, remember that the treatment for need can differ from IS students to OOS students. These numbers are for ALL undergrads and don’t make that distinction. You’ll need to do your own research on that.</p>
<p>% of need met for all undergraduates , State University</p>
<p>100% , U VIRGINIA
100% , U N CAROLINA
95% , PURDUE
91% , TEXAS A&M
90% , U MICHIGAN
88% , UC BERKELEY
87% , GEORGIA TECH
87% , U FLORIDA
86% , U MINNESOTA
85% , UC SAN DIEGO
84% , UC IRVINE
84% , UC S CRUZ
83% , UCLA
82% , UC S BARBARA
82% , U TEXAS
82% , U PITTSBURGH
81% , WILLIAM & MARY
81% , UC DAVIS
81% , U GEORGIA
80% , U WASHINGTON
77% , U WISCONSIN
74% , MICHIGAN ST
73% , U DELAWARE
72% , U CONNECTICUT
72% , INDIANA U
70% , CLEMSON
69% , OHIO STATE
67% , U ILLINOIS
64% , VIRGINIA TECH
62% , RUTGERS
61% , U MARYLAND
56% , PENN STATE
52% , U IOWA</p>
<p>Shrinkwrap, UCLA actually accepts 28% of OOS applicants vs. 22% of in state. </p>
<p>All of the UCs have become much more OOS friendly since the financial crisis leaves the desperate for the extra money. We’ll see if anyone is willing to pay $50K for the mid tier UCs if those numbers go up this year.</p>
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<p>This depends on the individual student’s financial situation, and sometimes on their academic standing as well. My D will be a full-pay, which means that for us any OOS public university in the country would be quite a lot cheaper than the selective privates she’s looking at. In addition, many publics give merit aid to top OOS students, while most top privates don’t. I figure D’s total out-of-pocket COA might be be $10K to $20K cheaper at an OOS public, possibly more depending on merit aid. </p>
<p>On the other hand, students with a lot of financial need will often find it cheaper to go to a private that meets 100% of financial need (careful, though; I’d count only grants as genuine “aid” as loans and work-study are essentially forms of self-help, i.e., you pay, the school doesn’t). In some cases it can even be cheaper for students with a lot of need to go private than to their own in-state public, depending on how generous their public is with financial aid. For those with a smaller amount of financial need, it could go either way; you really don’t know until you apply and get the FA package.</p>
<p>Honestly, if you’re OOS, and you can’t afford to pay 50k per year, don’t go to any In school states, unless you’re sure you can pay. For most privates, if you can get in, they’ll meet part or all of your needs. </p>
<p>Does Internationals count as OOS or are they in a separate category altogether?</p>
<p>And USC is a state school? Damn definitely not going there then.</p>
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<p>The US News online edition provides some useful breakdowns on financial aid stats for in-state v. our-of-state students. For example, while a higher percentage of in-state students at the University of Michigan get need-based aid (48% in-state v. 35% out-of-state), the average need-based award for out-of-state students is almost twice as large ($11,635 in-state v. $20,552 out-of-state). In addition, 65% of in-state and 47% of out-of-state students at Michigan receive non-need-based gift, averaging $4,307 for in-state and $9,870 for out-of-state students.</p>
<p>bc,
I didn’t intend to pick on U Michigan per se, but now that you bring them up, this is one of the schools that I was thinking about as having different policies for IS vs OOS students. </p>
<p>U Michigan meets 100% of the need for IS students. 48% of IS students receive this. By contrast, only 35% of OOS students receive need-based aid and not all of their need is met. While I don’t believe that the school officially discloses the OOS coverage numbers, I figured out last year that it was around 60%. </p>
<p>U Michigan boasts one of the largest endowments among US colleges and yet still they can’t (or won’t) fund 100% of the need of ALL of their undergraduate students. Do you have any insight into why that is the case?</p>
<p>“My D will be a full-pay, which means that for us any OOS public university in the country would be quite a lot cheaper than the selective privates she’s looking at”</p>
<p>bclintonk; I didn’t think UC’s were any cheaper OOS, than a full pay private. Do you have something to suggest otherwise. As far as merit aid at Cal and UCLA, I know it’s there for OOS students, but I don’t think it’s that much cash. And that’s for the “I could have gone to Harvard” kids. Is it possible that UC’s merit aid is good as Harvard’s meed based aid, for a niche group?</p>
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<p>The UCs are at the high end among publics for OOS costs, but according to the UC Berkeley website, total OOS tuition and fees for 2009-2010 will be $32,400, or about $5K to $8K lower than most top privates. To some extent this is offset by unusually high on-campus living costs at UC Berkeley, but even considering this difference UC Berkeley would still be several thousand dollars cheaper than the privates my D is looking at. </p>
<p>Considering tuition & fees along with room & board, Michigan would be $7K to $10K cheaper than my D’s preferred privates. Most other publics would be even cheaper. These are not trivial numbers for those of us who are just lucky enough to barely make it into the “full pay” category. For those making 2, 3, or 4 times our income, $7K to $10K/year might be trivial. Not for us.</p>