Math majors at Chicago?

<p>Hmm. I'm looking at the math major requirements right now on the website, and it seems that for the B.S. in Math, you need to take seven courses from the Physical Sciences department that aren't math. For the B.A., it's only four. Maybe it's just me being used to a different style of education, but that seems like an awful lot, especially since they only require 2-3 math electives. Am I misinterpreting something?</p>

<p>And thanks, phuriku. I'm not sure I would place into Honors Analysis in any case. We'll see what happens.</p>

<p>Just occurred to me, if I were to test into regular Analysis, would it be possible/useful/interesting to audit the Honors Calculus course?</p>

<p>Don't know. Maybe not. You might be better served using that time for the directed reading program if you're interested in simply having more mathematics (taught with the help of a professor or graduate student) in your life.</p>

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Just occurred to me, if I were to test into regular Analysis, would it be possible/useful/interesting to audit the Honors Calculus course?

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<p>No. Analysis is the rigorous form of calculus. You may want to sit in on math 199 (intro analysis & linear algebra), but you could just read the 1st chapter of Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis and watch the first 4-5 lectures of Strang's MIT linear algebra video lectures online ( <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Mathematics/18-06Spring-2005/VideoLectures/index.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Mathematics/18-06Spring-2005/VideoLectures/index.htm&lt;/a> ).</p>

<p>Thanks, that's really helpful.</p>

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<p>There's some great information on this thread.</p>

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Not every math major would jump at MIT > UChicago if given the choice.

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<p>Oh, I didn't see this. Anyway, I actually know a few people who picked Chicago over MIT for undergraduate in mathematics, one of which did it DESPITE receiving a worse financial aid package. I think a lot of people here would agree that we have a better undergraduate math department than MIT.</p>

<p>Ok, here is a really stupid question, but what type of job does one get with an Applied Math degree from U of Chicago? Not being critical, I just don't know.</p>

<p>Applied math can lead into business. Somebody in my extended family got an advanced degree in applied math (not from Chicago) and found that she was ready to swim with the big fishes in the corporate world, that her degree was more useful than an MBA in the quantitative aspect.</p>

<p>You don't get an "Applied Math" degree from Chicago. (Harvard has that as a separate concentration; Chicago doesn't.)</p>

<p>Applied math covers a whole variety of things. The people who do "Math with a concentration in economics" are leaning towards applied math, and that is a great pathway to graduate study in economics, or work with consulting firms, hedge funds, trading firms . . . anyone who uses math as an analytical tool, which is a LOT of firms. I have a cousin who was an Applied Math concentrator at Harvard, and she's in graduate school studying computational linguistics, which is apparently a hot discipline for software design, since it makes algorithms out of natural language.</p>

<p>Engineering and design use tons of applied math, too. And all those people who are trying to figure out what to sell you based on what you buy . . .</p>

<p>You can get an applied math undergraduate degree, but it mainly involves a lot of physics and science courses. We have four degrees: BA, BS, BS Applied, and BA with economics. </p>

<p>Applied math is not really as practical as it sounds. Most of what you learn is still pretty theoretical (analysis, PDE's), and their applications toward the workplace (unless you're a quant. phd. researcher or something) will be sparse. You might as well just do straight up math or math with econ.</p>

<p>Ok, I am currently at Courant and graduate from U of C a year ago with a BA in Math. So, I will try to answer most of your questions:</p>

<p>As for an Applied Mathematics, for all practical purposes, there is no such thing at the U of C. Really. </p>

<p>As for classes, I mean, I have had classes with the best of them and with the worst of them, but don't let anybody tell you that you can get an A in a Math class at the U of C with 10 hours of work. That is impossible. There is no such thing as a genius in the sense that someone can just naturally understand something better/faster than another, so, you either do the work at Chicago, or if you are able to get an A even in the so called "easy" courses at U of C Math dept, its because you did the work earlier. I.e. you had better high school preparation, you did a lot of independent reading before you came to chicago, or while you are at chicago. Basically, there is no way around having to work you butt off to earn decent grades.</p>

<p>That is probably the biggest downside of a great U of C education, the low GPAs. And really, there is no reason for them. Yeah, the school can pride itself on having low GPAs "fun comes to die BS" and I am not necessarily convinced that is something to be proud of as students find it hard to get employment afterward/ get into med school because of the U of C rigor. In that respect, the school really crushes peoples hope sand dreams. But its what you ask for when you decide to enroll at Chicago and if you weren't fully aware of that, well, I wish somebody told you before. Hence, my post here for prospective students at Chicago.</p>

<p>Don't get me wrong, I loved and still love chicago, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I played sooo much soccer and did so many irresponsible things, but still worked harder than I would have had to anywhere else in the world. In fact, with the same amount of work, I would have probably gotten a much better GPA anywhere else, even at the other hardest place, be it Caltech of MIT. </p>

<p>And yes, there are people who actually hold a GPA greater than 3.5, even in Math, which I must say is one of the hardest majors if not the hardest, and here's the flaw in their design, they are absolute nerds. You read in other posts how there are two tiers in Math dept a Chicago, yeah, if you have about 120 Math majors, thats bound to happen, but the issues is, aside from grad school, neither tier has the ability to get good job placement. Reason being, well, 1, U chicago career services is one bull crap. They have a bunch of idiots who don't know what they are doing. But worse yet, the people who have good GPAs are extremely smart, but sooo nerdy, they have absolutely no social skills. Thus, not having the necessary skills to thrive in the Corporate world. While, the second tier if you will, those who would have done exceptionally well elsewhere, get screwed by chicago GPAs and while they have the social skills, they don't have the GPA.</p>

<p>I am skipping around but also, here are the books we use, at least for the regular sequences.</p>

<p>First year: Honors Calc 1,2,3- Spivak, one of the greatest books ever written
Second year: Analysis 1,2,3-Fitzpatrick One of the worst books ever written
Third year: Algebra 1,2,3 The greatest book on Abstract Algebra that I have ever read and rivals Spivak for all time greats for me, I love this book, I kiss it at times</p>

<p>Number Theory: Niven Zuckerman, another one for the record books, a very well written book</p>

<p>Stat: Rice</p>

<p>These are all off the top of my head and really don't wanna sift through the others to look them up, I obviously did not enjoy the others as much.</p>

<p>As for your Calc-1 and Calc-2, here is the thing, while redundant in a lot of ways when you take Analysis, the only thing that is Calculus about Spivak are the topics and the title. In fact, in the preface, I believe he says that it was intended to be an intro to Analysis book. So, whatever Calculus you took, it is useless at Chicago and really irrelevant. </p>

<p>I do know a student who did 130s Calculus, the lowest level, and finished a Math major, but if you are going to have an easier time in the future and really make it as a Math Major, it is imperative that you start with the 160s, Honors Calculus course.</p>

<p>The greatest thing about The University of Chicago Mathematics department is Diane Herrmann, she is the department head and the love of my life. Go to her, talk to her, she cares about all the math majors like her kids, basically, one of the greatest people you will ever meet. She will be supportive and a good guide. I will say more when there is something else to add but I think I will conclude this long message here.</p>

<p>The regular analysis sequence is using Wade now instead of Fitzpatrick. It's a decent book.</p>

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The greatest book on Abstract Algebra that I have ever read and rivals Spivak for all time greats for me, I love this book, I kiss it at times

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<p>And you are distancing yourself from the people you consider "nerdy?" Let's rethink that one :-)</p>

<p>I should mention that I come from a family and extended family and have family friends of math majors, who went to all sorts of schools. I'll just name four: Cornell, Yale, Fordham, and Rutgers. All of them are able to tell stories about students who didn't shower, professors who didn't look at themselves when they got dressed in the morning, etc., all of them in some ways socially non-standard and maybe (depending on how merciless you feel) socially inept.</p>

<p>But Cornell, Yale, Fordham, and Rutgers are not particularly known for attracting a nerdy type of student, even though, by going from stories from family and friends, you would think any of these four schools would be nerd heaven.</p>

<p>So I think that the nerd quotient says a lot more about the choice to study math rather than the school itself.</p>

<p>Regarding CAPS: CAPS people have been really useful for bulldozing my resume and helping me shape it. Otherwise, I don't really know what to expect from a career office-- I think your choice of career is largely based on who you know in your network and pursuing activities that are of interest to you. CAPS people can teach you how to do better interviews (they did an info session on this that I found really helpful), they can give you tips, they can help you contact big employers, but they are not going to get you the job-- that's up to you. I've been very successful getting positions that I've wanted, and I am not at the top of the GPA ladder.</p>

<p>So, what <em>is</em> that wonderful algebra book you mentioned? ;)</p>

<p>I'm guessing Herstein, since I don't think Dummit/Foote is used outside of Honors Algebra.</p>

<p>Unalove, I agree on the innate characteristics of many math-type people vs. the school. Met S's mentor last week after more than a year, and it was clear why they are so sympatico. S was utterly in his element; the prof is just like S, only with about 30 years on him.</p>

<p>That said, I will mention that everywhere S interviewed, they were far more interested in discussing his newspaper and teaching experience than in the math/CS competitions, etc. I gather that being able to write well and being an enthusaistic personality was somewhat unexpected. Two years ago, he was also a highly introverted, total geek. Still a math nerd, but he has definitely come out of his shell! :)</p>

<p>Am also interested in the algebra book (title and author, please, OP!)</p>

<p>This has already been posted here, but yea, this shows many books that are used in chicago's mathematics curriculum.</p>

<p>Chicago</a> undergraduate mathematics bibliography</p>

<p>I'm often compelled to kiss my ratty copy of Herstein as well.</p>

<p>Just wanted to thank everyone again! I feel like I'm much more comfortable with what I'm getting into now.</p>