MBA at a NON ACSB accreditated school?

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At the end of the day, AACSB? It only matters if you are going to a school that doesn't have a strong enough reputation to stand on its own merit.

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<p>That's exactly right, and parallels the literature on standardization processes in general. For example, in the tech industry, strong players generally have little incentive to embrace industry standards, as they can create their own 'de-facto' standards through their sheer market power. Microsoft, for example, has often times been criticized for not following industry standards, but they can do that because of their power over the market. Intel does the same. Back in the old days, it was IBM that routinely flouted industry standards, preferring to push its own suite of products. It is generally the weak players who are the ones who gain the most value from a standardization process. For example, many technical standards bodies exist to counter the strength of Microsoft and Intel. You can see the same thing in the arena of politics. While I don't want to get into a political argument, you can see that the US often times flouts the will of the UN, and doesn't even bother to recognize the authority of other international bodies such as the International Criminal Court, but that's basically because, frankly, the US is strong enough to ignore those bodies. Within the European Union, strong members like France, the UK, and Germany get away with ignoring rules that other members must abide by for fear of penalty. For example, France and Germany run budget deficits that exceed the boundary pact set by the European Central Bank, but it's doubtful that the ECB will be able to do anything about it.</p>

<p>So the fact is, HBS, and schools of that caliber are able to get away with ignoring the tenets of the AACSB because, frankly, they can. They have that power. It's not fair, but hey, life is not fair. Strong players can get away with things that weak players cannot, and that's just a truism of life. </p>

<p>I would also refocus the discussion on a point I made before, which is that sometimes accreditation and standardization can be bad, in the sense that they prevent society from reaching optimal efficiency. For example, standardization processes often times reduce innovation. When you have a accreditation committee making decisions, you are reducing the impact that the free market can have in terms of feedback to the process. In essence, committees often times function as political versions of central planning, and I think we have seen in history that central planning is a rather poor way to run a flexible organization, chiefly because it slows the ability of an organization to respond to the market. </p>

<p>Now, I also agree that accreditation bodies can sometimes also increase market efficiency, especially for intangible goods like education, by sending a signal to the market that a particular brand of education has passed certain checkpoints. This does reduce information asymmetries, which can prevent market failures. But schools like HBS, Wharton, Stanford, and the like have strong brand names and thus are ALREADY sending strong signals to the market. It is unlikely that they need the additional accreditation 'signal'. I agree that a school like Frostburg State will need the accreditation signal in order to form the market, but does Harvard need it? Unlikely.</p>

<p>An interesting side note, however:</p>

<p>Does the accreditation body need Harvard?</p>

<p>Just think: say Harvard, Wharton, Sloan, Stanford tomorrow morning all implemented a change that (as of now) would cause ACSB de-accreditation.</p>

<p>This is, obviously, hypothetical.</p>

<p>If the ACSB actually followed through with that, it would make itself look more silly than anything else.</p>

<p>Would it have to revise its standards, simply because other top schools had done so implicitly?</p>

<p>How many of the top schools would it take? If HBS alone made such a change, for example, how much pressure would the ACSB feel to conform anyway? What if it was a change that the ACSB actually felt strongly (negative) about?</p>

<p>These are all hypothetical questions with no way to answer them. I was just intrigued, however: how much of the value of the ACSB is tied up in the fact that it accredits the top schools?</p>

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Give me her name, and let me verify her status as an alum.

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I haven't seen you giving out your credentials, though I have asked you in other threads before.
Are you affiliated with Harvard? student? alum? admirer?</p>

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I haven't seen you giving out your credentials, though I have asked you in other threads before.
Are you affiliated with Harvard? student? alum? admirer?

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<p>Why? Would it matter? Seems to me that I won't be able to change your mind anyway. So what do I have to gain by playing your game? </p>

<p>Let me ask you this. If I say that I am affiliated with Harvard, will you come back here and say that you changed your mind? No, probably not, right? So, what exactly do I have to gain by telling you who I am? </p>

<p>But allright, fine, don't give me her name. Instead, why not just open your PM/email box so we can exchange our lists of HBS people, or email/PM me so we can do the same? If privacy is a concern, create a dummy email account on Hotmail or Yahoo and use it to email me. Takes less than a minute to do that.</p>

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An interesting side note, however:</p>

<p>Does the accreditation body need Harvard?</p>

<p>Just think: say Harvard, Wharton, Sloan, Stanford tomorrow morning all implemented a change that (as of now) would cause ACSB de-accreditation.</p>

<p>This is, obviously, hypothetical.</p>

<p>If the ACSB actually followed through with that, it would make itself look more silly than anything else.</p>

<p>Would it have to revise its standards, simply because other top schools had done so implicitly?</p>

<p>How many of the top schools would it take? If HBS alone made such a change, for example, how much pressure would the ACSB feel to conform anyway? What if it was a change that the ACSB actually felt strongly (negative) about?</p>

<p>These are all hypothetical questions with no way to answer them. I was just intrigued, however: how much of the value of the ACSB is tied up in the fact that it accredits the top schools?

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<p>That's exactly right, and it gets down to what I was talking about. At the end of the days, all standardization processes (of which the AACSB is just one example) is a test of strength among its members and the body as a whole. For example, one major reason that the League of Nations was a failure is because the strongest nation in the world at the time, the US, was not a member. Furthermore, other strong nations would just quit membership in the League of Nations whenever they didn't like what was happening. Hence, the League of Nations rapidly became irrelevant to geopolitical affairs. How was it to stay relevant as an international body when a number of the strongest nations in the world were not members? </p>

<p>What I am saying is that it all comes down to strength. Harvard has the strength to leave the AACSB with very little damage. In fact, like I said, if Harvard left, it would be the AACSB that would probably suffer the brunt of the damage. Just like how Microsoft has the strength to pick and choose the computing standards that it wishes to follow. If Microsoft elects not to implement a particular standard, then it is probably * that standard * that gets damaged because it will fade into irrelevance. What makes a standard useful is the fact that strong players agree to implement it.</p>

<p>in the case of the AACSB, the benefit seems to accrue mostly to the weak players. For example, a school like Frostburg State can tout that it has the same accreditation as Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, and MITSloan do. So Frostburg State benefits from associating itself with these top schools. But those top schools benefit correspondingly less. Harvard doesn't really benefit from associating itself with Frostburg State. Hence, this is a case of * asymmetric * benefits. The benefit of the AACSB seems to be that it can provide these asymmetric benefits to its weaker members.</p>

<p>In fact, I would suspect that if the AACSB were to want to drop Harvard and the other top members, it would be precisely the * weaker schools * who would try to prevent the AACSB from doing so. After all, those schools would stand to lose out on those asymmetric benefits, which they obviously don't want to happen.</p>

<p>The game you mentioned is all yours.
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Really? Would you like to provide some names of these HBS people so that I can ask them myself? I will happily provide you names of the people that I talked to.

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<p>The most important information that you have hedged in your 6000+ posts is your credential, care to divulge that? I'd like to know your qualifications you have expertly commented on so many subjects and colleges.</p>

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The game you mentioned is all yours.

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<p>So from that, I take it that you are not interested in an information exchange. In other words, I have information that I am happy to share with you, but you are not willing to look at it. And you claim to have information, but you don't want me to look at it. Isn't that interesting? </p>

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The most important information that you have hedged in your 6000+ posts is your credential, care to divulge that? I'd like to know your qualifications you have expertly commented on so many subjects and colleges.

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<p>I have in fact divulged my information to others here when I think the situation warrants it. But I ask you the same question that I have asked you countless times, what do I benefit from divulging to you? Are you going to change your mind? If not, then what exactly is my incentive to play your game? </p>

<p>If you're not going to believe me no matter what, then it doesn't matter who I am, now does it?</p>

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In fact, like I said, if Harvard left, it would be the AACSB that would probably suffer the brunt of the damage.

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<p>Come on. Schools like Yale and Stanford would still be there to keep the AACSB strong. Harvard, however prestigious it may be, is not strong enough to bring down the AACSB when there are schools like the above mentioned still there.</p>

<p>Nobody is talking about 'bringing the AACSB down'. But what I am saying is that if damage is done to anybody, I would argue that the majority of it would be felt by the AACSB.</p>

<p>Besides, I would argue that if Harvard were to leave the AACSB, other top schools would be tempted to follow. Just like when Harvard announced that they were increasing financial aid packages to poorer students, other schools like Yale and Stanford followed suit. It becomes a matter of 'follow the leader'.</p>

<p>At the fear of resurrecting an old topic, consider the following quote from Scott Julian's and Joseph Ofori-Dankwa's paper in the 'Academy of Management Learning & Education', vol 5., #2, 2006, p. 225-233.</p>

<p>"We argue that the core process characteristics of accreditation are
not well suited for the new competitive terrain that business schools face and may act as impediments for effective adaptation."</p>

<p>"To the extent that the environments
of business schools are becoming more turbulent
and hypercompetitive, we argue that current accreditation
standards increase the likelihood of
poor strategic decision making. Operating in turbulent
environments may necessitate rethinking
the traditional strategic control process that characterizes
current accreditation standards"</p>

<p>That's exactly what I was getting at in this whole thread - that accreditation is not always good. Sometimes, it might actually be bad. The key to rational analysis is to weigh the * ratio * of costs and benefits that is inherent in the word *ratio*nal.</p>

<p>Hey, I kind of agree with everyone. Let me explain- I think that the leaders of the AACSB and the top bus schools are almost 1 at some point and before HBS, Wharton or even Warrington (jest here, but the president of the AACSB is the DEan of Florida's Bus school) left, there would be negotiations and the AACSB would change in order to keep them. I see it as a quid pro quo, with neither side wanting to lose the other.</p>