<p>McGill is a great school, but UofT (St. George) is better.</p>
<p>Yes, McGill ranked higher than UofT in the THES, but then again, the THES is a joke. Google it, and you'll see how nobody in the academic community finds it to be a credible ranking. I mean, McGill was ranked ahead of Stanford, Berkeley, and UPenn. That fact alone should tell you that this ranking is not to be trusted.</p>
<p>Anyways, UofT was ranked #1 in Canada for 12+ consecutive years until they boycotted the ranking, and dropped to 3rd. Yes, other schools boycotted the ranking too, but didn't really catch everyones attention until UofT backed out. Consequently, they used old information of questionable validity to put together their latest ranking. What the future hold for the Macleans ranking is still unknown.</p>
<p>In other international rankings (ie. Newsweek and Shanghai), UofT is ranked as the top Canadian university. When compared to THES, both these rankings are much more objective and reliable.</p>
<p>As credible as THES rankings are not, I don't think convincing people that McGill is worse than UofT is going to happen easily. </p>
<p>As for THES, Ide definitely say Stanford and Cal should be higher than McGill, both should be top 10 imo, but UPenn being lower seems appropriate.</p>
<p>UPenn is great and all, but I think what makes Upenn so famous besides being in the Ivy League (although it is one of the schools in the league that people are least likely to know), is it's business program. And in terms of grad school, I think Business programs, although prestigious, carry nowhere near as much weight as PhD, Med, and Law programs.</p>
<p>An MBA from UPenn looks outstanding, but PhDs and Medical degrees seem to take most prestige for schools because generally they are the ones that are much more research oreinted, and thus more likely to contribute to whatever field the degree is in. </p>
<p>I think McGill is much more research heavy than UPenn, and essentially perhaps better in the sense the McGill is surely a top 20 university in terms of research, and whatnot</p>
<p>There are no perfect rankings but THES has relatively higher authenticities.
ARWU uses criterias like Score on N&S or Score on Size. These has nothing to do with its students success. THES's peer review is extremely important in my oppinion because that's the best way to evaluate a school's prestege and recognition. </p>
<p>AWRU by shanghai placed UCSD ahead of Penn and UWashignton Seattle ahead of Johns Hopikins. Rockefeller ahead of Duke (< this one is too obvious)
(Not very credible)</p>
<p>The point here is not to determine whether UofT is better than McGill but the fact that McGill is 1st tier school. UofT and McGill are equally good internationally. Both are respected and has 100% in peer review by THES.</p>
<p>I think McGill is somewhat comparable to Penn in terms of researches. But not on some programs like Business. For Medical School, McGill is more renowned than Penn. </p>
<p>AWRU gave Stanford, "Score on Alumni" 42 which is highly unlikely.</p>
<p>Brown and Dartmouth have been placed lower than McGill in every major international rankings. Quality of student doesn't necessarily reflect its international prestege.</p>
<p>McGill is easier to get into and harder to get out of with a good GPA than the Ivies, at least in the Sciences. No American school has the grade deflation that exists at McGill. The bottom line with McGill is that it offers a rigorous education in a great environment, and both should prepare a college kid well for life.</p>
<p>First, if you're also looking at grad schools, then UofT is better overall when compared to McGill. It's common knowledge (at least in Canada) that UofT has the best law school and medical school in the country. </p>
<p>Secondly, the peer review that you're referring to is what makes the THES so bad! Here's a little overview (there's much more out there with a quick google search):</p>
<p>Yes, the Shanghai ranking is not perfect (no ranking is), but at least it uses objective measures that don't result in Emory going from 173 to 56 or Purdue falling from 59 to 127 in one year! You could do the THES ranking a month later and McGill might end up 30th! It just depends on who happens to respond to their survey (among other things...).</p>
<p>Finally, I'd be willing to bet that UofT has a more 'rigorous' curriculum than McGill. Grade deflation at UofT is well known in Canada. There's actually an official policy that class averages HAVE to be in the C+ range.</p>
<p>Like I said, no one here is comparing McGill to Toronto. UofT does have grade deflation I've heard of that too. For graduate schools it all depends on what you want to study. It's also true that UofT has an outstanding graduate school, but McGill's graduate school is definately comparable. (as well as UBC for some programs)</p>
<p>Even in Shanghai ARWU McGill does well too.</p>
<p>"It's common knowledge (at least in Canada) that UofT has the best law school and medical school in the country. "</p>
<p>Not really, in Ontario yes but not in other places. (Toronto/McGill is equally known most of the times.) McGill's medical school is its strongest program and MCAT and GPA for incoming medical students are sometimes same as other top US school's (such as Duke or UCBerkeley). For law school UofT might have better one. (not sure about this one)</p>
<p>"UPenn is great and all, but I think what makes Upenn so famous besides being in the Ivy League (although it is one of the schools in the league that '
people are least likely to know), is it's business program. And in terms of grad school, I think Business programs, although prestigious, carry nowhere near as much weight as PhD, Med, and Law programs."
"For Medical School, McGill is more renowned than Penn."</p>
<p>Really?
Penn receives the #2 highest research funding in the US after Johns Hopkins. Penn's med school was the first in North America, the American Medical Association was founded at Penn, and Penn consistently ranks in the top 3 med schools according to US News (except for this year where it's #4).</p>
<p>but... in the end
when the rankings are up for the universities (especially in research, academics)
most are based on the grad schools
which doesn't necessarily put it as the best undergrad school to attend
in my opinion,
undergrad shouldn't matter much whether u go to u of t, or mcgill or any other places
cause most of the research and areas that make the school prestigious are based on the graduate level</p>
<p>If you go to the med school forums for either Canada or the U.S., you'll find that the vast majority of people across Canada and the U.S. consider UofT to be the best medical school. McGill USED to be the best.</p>
<p>For law, UofT is actually pretty ahead of the pack right now. It's not even really close.</p>
<p>I agree about UPenn. Penn is much stronger than that guy says. At the undergrad level and most grad level programs, I'd argue UPenn > McGill and UofT.</p>
<p>I only watched one of your youtube videos...but seriously, man. You can't honestly think that using House (a fictional TV doctor) gives your point any positive credibility.</p>
<p>I'm not invested one way or another on this topic (the original topic, or this nouveau, U of T Med > McGill topic), I just think referencing youtube only deteriorates what little ground your point (which was an opinion back by nothing) was standing on.</p>
<p>type in the address without (/) between "prow" and "lerpublishing.com".
Like it says, McGill is considered the "Harvard of Canada,"
Buy that book about McGill University if intrested.</p>
<p>By the way, in the 2006 Winter Olympics at Turin, Canada won 7 gold medals and Two of them were won by McGill students. (Jennifer Heil and Charline Labont</p>
<p>"undergrad shouldn't matter much whether u go to u of t, or mcgill or any other places"</p>
<p>I agree, undergraduate doesn't matter much if you are going to graduate schools. But bachelor's from McGill makes easier to get accepted into elite grad schools right? But attend school with the least debt.</p>