<p>Undergrad</a> - BSchools</p>
<p>As someone who grew up worshiping wharton as the god of business schools -- after looking at this chart, I can't see why someone would pick wharton over mcintire besides prestige?</p>
<p>Opinions?</p>
<p>Wait, Brigham Young is ranked #1 in the Recruiter Survey and MIT Sloan is #49???</p>
<p>Connections, connections, connections. Wharton is the most-connected school on Wall Street. Plus, McIntire is only a 2 year program, whereas Wharton is 4 years and is probably more focused on business.</p>
<p>zoax, who says that all of the recruiters are looking for top-notch candidates? It’s possible that most of the employers they surveyed come from less-prestigious companies.</p>
<p>yeah i didn’t get the recruiting thing. </p>
<p>monstor- but their median salaries are only 2 grands apart. and look at the length and cost of the programs - mcintire is roughly 1/8th the cost and half the time.</p>
<p>^Starting salaries for business majors are largely the same; they increase greatly through work experience. I will admit though, the number does leave me a bit surprised. I was pretty sure that the starting salary for Wharton was a 6-digit number; I guess I was wrong. </p>
<p>Anyhow, there are still a few reasons why you would want to choose Wharton over McIntire. First of all, you are not guaranteed admission into McIntire right off the bat at UVa; you have to wait until you can apply for it during sophomore year in college and if you aren’t accepted, you’re in a bit of a difficult situation if your plan was to become a business major. Second of all, I’m sure McIntire has a strong network and has produced some top businessmen, but the bottomline is if your goal in life is to become an extremely wealthy businessman, the best way to start is at the very top. If you look at salaries for students at other colleges, you’ll see that Harvard falls in the middle of the Ivy Leagues, but very few on these boards would dispute that salary alone would make Harvard in the middle of the pack in terms of career prospects for Ivy grads. Nevertheless, you are right in that McIntire is an underrated and superb school.</p>
<p>Oh woah, I didn’t realize that you had to apply your sophomore year. So I wouldn’t be saving a couple years on undergrad. Dang.</p>
<p>Some of that information though seems sort of weird-for one I’m sure MIT Sloan’s average SAT score is higher than 1387 lol.</p>
<p>Heah, I went to Wharton, and what I would say is you will not be making a mistake going to either UVA or Wharton. Go to which one you want.</p>
<p>In addition, a large percentage of the Wharton students do not need to go for an MBA in order to advance in their career, thus saving more money.</p>
<p>^ Not just money, but the opportunity cost in time (and therefore money/advancement) of taking 2 years off to get the MBA</p>
<p>To address the two-year program issue, if you are smart enough to get into UVA Arts & Sciences and Wharton straight out of high school, then you will get accepted into McIntire with no problem. The kids who get rejected from the Comm School have screwed up in some way; do your work, and you will get accepted.</p>
<p>I graduated from McIntire in 2006, so I am certainly biased in my opinion. However, here are a few reasons to choose UVA over UPENN:</p>
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<li><p>You will have the same job opportunities coming out of both schools. All the major investment banks, smaller banks, consulting firms, accounting companies, etc. recruit on grounds at UVA. I was a middle of the road McIntire student, and I had 35 on grounds interviews during my fourth year, and received 8 job offers (4 NY, 4 DC).</p></li>
<li><p>Studying in the Arts & Sciences school for two years is a positive thing. You can take some very interesting classes, have the ability to double major(or minor), plus you would still be taking the prerequisite business school classes (2 accounting, 2 econ, statistics, etc.).</p></li>
<li><p>The student body is more well rounded at UVA. While UPENN is a top school, I find that the Wharton students have the reputation of being extremely intense and cut-throat when it comes to their school work. McIntire kids of course care a lot and want to succeed, but I feel that there is a real laid back atmosphere here.</p></li>
<li><p>The overall school is more fun. Forget about business for a second. UVA has ACC athletics (awesome football and basketball games), a gorgeous campus, and relatively warm weather. If you want a true college town, you can’t go wrong with Charlottesville. When I think of “the American College experience,” I think of UVA. Great school, great party scene, big time sports, attractive student body. It just doesn’t get any better.</p></li>
<li><p>Graduating from Wharton does not mean you will have less of a chance of needing an MBA down the road. That is just ridiculous. This depends on the individual and the work experience one gets coming out of college. Both schools send kids to the same firms.</p></li>
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<p>OK, I am done ranting. Obviously you can’t go wrong with UPENN, but for me personally, I would choose UVA 10 times out of 10 over PENN.</p>
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For what it’s worth, here’s what Wharton has to say about that:</p>
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[Wharton</a> Undergraduate Program](<a href=“http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/subPage.cfm?pageID=7]Wharton”>http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/subPage.cfm?pageID=7)</p>
<p>monstor344 wrote: </p>
<h2>“I was pretty sure that the starting salary for Wharton was a 6-digit number; I guess I was wrong.”</h2>
<p>You are sooo not alone in that. If I had a dime for every 16-18 year old that thought that graduating from (fill in the blank Top 10 school)means a likely $100k+ starting salary in the first job out of school …</p>
<p>Acceptance to an elite school is not a meal ticket, free lunch, jackpot, lottery ticket, etc. etc. etc. People who are admitted to those schools have ALREADY demonstrated they are in the top 0.1 - 1% of the high school graduates for that year on a combined evaluation of academic/intellectual/drive/leadership/creative accomplishments. Yet, it can often take 3-5 years in the workforce for those qualities to really pay off in terms of earned salary… or in many cases, in demonstrated accomplishment not measured in salary such as non-profit leadership, teaching skill, parenting, religious employment, and other accomplishments not correlated to earnings.</p>
<p>Anyway… go to college where you will thrive intellectually, aesthetically, socially, emotionally.</p>
<p>P.S. I have close family members who graduated Penn-Wharton undergrad, and top 12 MBA programs, and don’t see a significant difference in perception in the marketplace ten years into a career.</p>
<p>Wharton will give you better opportunities at some places. Whether that is enough to go to Wharton depends on your personality and financial situation (in state for UVA is a steal). </p>
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Wharton students have to take nearly half of their courses in Arts and Science. In Wharton you start your curriculum as a frist semester freshman. It’s a bit nicer to get requirements out of the way in 4 years instead of putting them all into 2. I can’t really say that most Wharton students I know dive too much into their humanities electives beyond what is necessary, but that comes with the territory of being very preprofessional.</p>
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I wouldn’t call Wharton cutthroat. It’s competitive, but there is too much teamwork to compete against eachother. Wharton students compete with eachother for top grades.</p>
<p>oh wow, haha. this is really interesting stuff. If only I’d get so lucky as to have to make this choice in the spring…</p>
<p>The odds are strong that you aren’t getting into either. So it is likely to be moot.</p>
<p>Where do you REALLY want to go to school?</p>
<p>oh lol, this was just a curiosity thread.
I’m actually ED-ing dartmouth for economics/international relations double major… heh</p>
<p>mini, are you suggesting that it’s pointless comparing schools just because they are hard to get into?</p>
<p>That makes zero sense…</p>
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<p>After bonuses, any decent banker should be making 6 figures. The number will obviously be lower this year but considering that, historically, half the Wharton graduates got jobs at BBs or top boutiques, $100k is not much of a stretch. </p>
<p>Certainly a top 10 school does not guarantee a 6 figure salary right after undergrad, but that’s because most students don’t go into fields like marketing or engineering that don’t pay nearly as well</p>
<p>The starting salary on career surveys usually don’t include bonuses, which is why the numbers are lower than the actual first year analyst salaries</p>
<p>"mini, are you suggesting that it’s pointless comparing schools just because they are hard to get into?</p>
<p>That makes zero sense…'</p>
<p>It’s pretty pointless unless you are accepted to two of them. You already know they are both fine places, with good profs, lots of rich kids, lots of opportunities, and difficult to get into. Different number of trees and bushes per acre, though, which could be really important factor if you’re allergic to bees or pollen, or need more green around you.</p>
<p>University of South Carolina has been number 1 for undergraduate international business according to USNWR for 10 straight years, far outstripping both Wharton and McIntyre. So?</p>