<p>So I just spoke with the guidance counselor at my D's school about not sending the SAT scores on the transcript. He basically said "too bad, you had the scores sent here, they're going on the transcript."</p>
<p>I am sick over this, more for the fact that they are clearly not going to work with us and it will probably impact her admissions and surely cost us money.</p>
<p>I really don't know what to do anymore. They have an agenda and to hell with the kids.</p>
<p>Xiggi? Any suggestions? I know this is one of your pet peeves. Z, in case he doesn't see this you might also PM Xiggi -- he has in the past had some good suggestions about how to handle the School-Student dynamic.</p>
<p>What's the chain of command at your school, by the way? How strongly will the administration back up this old relic?</p>
<p>The guy's being ridiculous, it's June and he's tired. Talk to the principal; talk to the GC again in September when he's not so tired; talk to the registrar or whomever actually prepares the transcripts and get the scores removed--or stop worrying about it until September when things really ramp up. In September, stop by the GC's office every morning until he agrees to the change just to get rid of you. </p>
<p>Unless there's a written policy that SAT scores go on the transcript (which I doubt is the case), they can be removed.</p>
<p>I see where Xiggi has already weighed in on this earlier:</p>
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Zoosermom, two roads leading to the same point: the first one is to ask or beg for the removal of the SAT scores -actually the removal of everything that did not orginate at the school. If they balk, you should let them know that this information is NOT theirs to share in any way of form. They receive the information for ... informational purposes. No pun intended. They do NOT own nor control this information, and it is surely not public. Further, I am quite certain that they won't accept any responsibility for potential reporting errors of this NON-OFFICIAL information. Since the colleges accept ONLY official SAT scores sent directly to them, the high school should have no business sharing it or making it part of an official transcript. </p>
<p>If the school still balks, please tell them that you will contact the College Board and force the high school to purge their records of any TCB scores. Again, it is your daughter information, and not theirs. </p>
<p>Lastly, I would highly advise you -and anyone else for that matter- to reject the notion that transcripts should be sent without having been approved by you. The school is entitled to insist that the envelope should be sealed, but nothings says you cannot inspect the document BEFORE closing the envelope. Also insist that YOU will be responsible for mailing everything to the school, and that nothing should be sent without your knowledge nor permission. </p>
<p>Simply stated, trust the high school at your own peril! I wouldn't! And it is not based on mild paranoia.
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<p>Given this guys track record, I don't think just trying again later will work. Looks like you're at the veiled and not so veiled threat stage to make this a bigger stink than they care to deal with.</p>
<p>I posted on another thread about Plan B. I would give the HS a second chance to review this situation from a different angle: your daughter's! The next step would be to contact the College Board and let the school know you are prepared to do what it takes to ensure the privacy of your daughter's results. I'll check if there is anything about this in the NACAC "code of conduct." </p>
<p>What a shame that the school needed to draw a line in the sand.</p>
<p>Is the high school's policy to put all student's test scores on the transcript? I am assuming this is a private high school vs. a public one? </p>
<p>In our situation (public) we wanted son's scores on the official transcript when it was sent to not have to pay to send his scores from the College Board. We did NOT send his scores anywhere until we were satisfied with his scores. So even though you get 4 free and are supposed to send them to the high school we did not. Son sent them when he wanted to.</p>
<p>For our D, we did not have them included since she was applying to some non-SAT schools and we wanted to control the flow of info. My kiddos have graduated from 3 different high schools in 3 different states (1 being the 6th largest district in the nation, 2 in the top 20 largest) and have never run into a district that requires SAT/ACT/AP scores to be entered on the transcript.</p>
<p>I would think, but do not know for sure that somehow there might be a privacy law that would protect the flow of information. A transcript is to reflect academic coursework, identifing information and possible discipline problems (maybe). But mandatory test scores I don't know about that.</p>
<p>If in fact it is a private school, and I was paying for this level of treatment, they would have one VERY unhappy, VOCAL and LOUD customer.</p>
<p>Any problems we have had with our public we handled it at the local level and if necessary, elevated the problem to the assistant superintendent.</p>
<p>Kat</p>
<p>zoozermom - I feel your pain. My son took the SAT in the 7th grade to get into one on the summer talent programs at a university. His score was something around 1150 or so - not great for a selective college, but great for 7th grade! My son applied for a scholarship and the HS had not yet received his junior-year SAT scores, so the 7th grade scores went on the transcript. Needless to say, even though he was well over the requirements for the scholarships being given, he got a rather rude letter back saying he was not qualified. Aaaargh!</p>
<p>I thought the job of GCs was to <em>help</em> students get into college, not to undermine them with petty, arbitrary policies.</p>
<p>Thank you all for the good advice. I am more furious that these people (whom we are paying a lot of money!) are clearly not going to help us. One would think that the school would have a vested interest in getting their kids into good schools, but obviously not. The specialized program has its own GC and I'm sure they handle things differently, but the regular kids are really not encouraged to go anywhere except the local CC and a couple of less selective colleges that are local. </p>
<p>Xiggi, you are a treasure, you know that? I hope you don't mind, but I quoted a couple of lines of your advice in a letter to the principal.</p>
<p>I don't know if any of you remember my last drama of a few weeks ago with D2. The one where we were deciding between the private school with GC/curriculum issues and the IB program in a public school in a less than wonderful area? Well this just pushed us over the edge to the public school. They have an entire college guidance website and a great procedure.</p>
<p>You should let them know they will be losing a customer and why!</p>
<p>dig:</p>
<p>just rediculous -- even CB suppresses the SAT scores of tests taken prior to HS.</p>
<p>My husband, who is a very big and scary guy (shaved head, goatee -- think professional wrestler) got very upset when I told him about this today. As you all know, my daughter was devastated by the SAT scores and dad (who is a pussycat) reassured her by telling her that we would only send ACT or good SAT scores. Now the school may make him a liar to his princess and he can not HAVE that. So he is at the school right now and is going to sit in the principal's waiting room until he can get a definite appointment to discuss this and see the written policy on including this information on transcripts. He's also going to gently and politely (ha!!) encourage the school to get with the program on guidance in general, the ACT in particular, and to lose its bias in favor of CUNY/SUNY schools.</p>
<p>Oh, to be a fly on the wall . ..</p>
<p>Zoosermom, do not let this upset you too much. Staying calm will help you in dealing with the school's bureaucracy. Very often, the control of the information is the only "power" GC have, and they do not let go easily. Explaining that your reasons are well founded might sway them. Also stress that this is a PRIVATE matter between you, your daughter, and the school, and that you do not seek making changes for the entire school. Of course, if he continues to be stubborn, you'd have to elevate the matter and take it public ... he may get the hint that are you're not a neurotic, but a well informed parent who wants to see this through the end. </p>
<p>Sorry you have to go to this ordeal. Arguing with GC is never fun.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, you need a happy GC for application time, so you can't exactly go knocking him upside the head...</p>
<p>Someone mentioned that you can put a white sticky on the info you don't want to show up, make a copy of the revised transcript and have that transcript certified.</p>
<p>One of the reasons oUr local hs gave for no longer putting the SAT scores on the transcript was that they didn't want to be responsible for info that didn't originate with them (think lawsuit). Don't know if there ever was a lawsuit brought, but just the thought that someone might bring a lawsuit was enough for them to quit the practice.</p>
<p>What sort of power or importance does the GC think he is clinging to by insisting on putting the SATs? I don't know of a single college that accepts the SAT as entered on the transcript as official -- they always want to see the report for themselves, directly from CB. So he is insisting on adding information that is at best useless and in this case actually harmful to the student's prospects.</p>
<p>Quote: "Unfortunately, you need a happy GC for application time, so you can't exactly go knocking him upside the head..."</p>
<p>So true, and typical of the bind we parents often feel in dealing with injustices like this. While I totally agree that you should fight this, you (and your h.) need to stay calm and as diplomatic as possible, since this g.c. will be writing your d's rec. in the fall. While it may be too late for this advice, I'd suggest that you might say that you know they want to be an advocate for their students, remind them that insisting on this rule would truly hurt your daughter's chances at her desired schools. Also, you could say to the g.c. that you know he's just enforcing what he believes to be the school's policy, but that you'd like to review it together with the principal to determine if this policy has flexibility. In other words, don't go over his head to the principal without letting him know.</p>
<p>Coureur and others:</p>
<p>DS (the senior this year) had only one school request his SAT scores sent from the College Board directly. All his other schools, as seen on the Accepted List in the Parents Forum where satisfied with his SAT/ACT scores on his official transcript.</p>
<p>That was our experience this year with DS, last year with daughter and with son the year before that.</p>
<p>Kat</p>
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<blockquote> <p>DS (the senior this year) had only one school request his SAT scores sent from the College Board directly.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Whoa--will have to forward that list of schools to CB--they won't be happy! LOL</p>
<p>My D's experience (class of 2004) was that ALL of her schools required a transcript be sent directly from CB.</p>
<p>I know this is "off topic" but I can't help but wonder why a private school would behave this way. (Are they aware that you placed your younger D elsewhere because of their lack of cooperation?) </p>
<p>My kids go to a private school too and it always amazes me how some private schools like to put their heads in the sand and ignore the fact that you are a paying customer who could choose to go elsewhere. I can only surmise that many of them have been educated themselves in a system designed for public schools (where there is little or no choice to go elsewhere). It's almost like they don't want to admit that a private school is a "business" which depends on having customers who return each year and who will refer new customers. It's like they are "in denial" about this fact. </p>
<p>Recently, the principal at my kids' former school was fired (finally!!!). The decision was finally made after so many parents had pulled their kids out of the school and enrollment was seriously affected. The teachers' reaction? They have been complaining that the parents have too much power! WHAT?!?! What are they suggesting??? Are they suggesting that parents should be FORCED to send their kids to a school??? Is being able to remove your kids from a school a problem of having the "too much power"???</p>
<p>Again, sorry for going "off topic"... just had to vent a bit about this ridiculous response.</p>
<p>Xiggi... Thanks for suggesting contacting CB. I never thought about them but it would seem that they would want to insist on being the only reporting source (since they charge for the service).</p>