<p>if anyone has any information regarding the topic please post anything and everything you know. Apparently there was some legal action taken about it being the student's right to send scores, not the schools.</p>
<p>it is imperative i gather any and all information before i meet my daughter's principal tomorrow. he refuses to to take off her scores on her hs transcript when she is only applying to schools that do not require SAT IIs [she will send her ACTs]. Unfortunately we believe the 1890 [sats], 580 [us history] and 690 [math ic] will in the end hurt her chances since she is applying to relatively competitive schools.</p>
<p>At our HS, the Guidance office sends out a form that must be signed by parents, noting whether the family wants the school to send scores or not.</p>
<p>You might drop a PM to Xiggi -- I know that he is pretty adamant on this topic and has advised others on how he thinks the GC should be approached. Of course, sometimes Xiggi's methods are similar to throwing a molotov cocktail into a fire pit.</p>
<p>I say, throw that molotov. Joyo what state are you in? I did a web crawl for information and found some stuff on the State board of education website for various states. You might do a web search for the State board in your state and then call someone.</p>
<p>While you're trying to assemble that molotov, you might also ask your question of admissions officers of schools to which your child does NOT plan to apply. For example, there's a representative from Colby College admissions who regularly visits the Colby board. Colby requires the SAT I or ACT, with the SAT II optional. I wonder what the Colby representative would do in a situation like your child's -- wanting to present ACT scores instead of SAT scores but being unable to do so because the school insists on putting SAT scores on the transcript.</p>
<p>AdmissionsDaniel on JHU's board here is also helpful. I believe they will tell you that the school will truly look at the better of the SATI or the ACT. The problem - and I hear you loud and clear, because we had a similar SAT II situation - is that those SAT IIs just sit there and stare at the adcoms, although due to the ACT, they may ignore them. You might contact (anonymously) the admissions offices of colleges your D is considering and ask how this works: at a # of colleges, clerical staff summarize the relevant stats for the adcommittee. Maybe they actually omit the SAT II scores from the summary if the ACT has been submitted. (OK, this might be wishful thinking, but it might set your mind at ease). Bottom line, I am incensed on your behalf at the prinicipal's posture on this subject.</p>
<p>Have you abandoned the notion - suggested by a few on your other thread - of having an attorney accompany you to the meeting with the principal? This can sometimes accomplish quite a bit, as administrations fear the potential for legal action.</p>
<p>Joyo, my daughter submitted ACTs only, because she did not want the colleges to see her SATs. Her SAT II's were lower than the ones you mentioned. She had a good SAT writing score, but CR & math were poor (620/580). ACTs weren't great, but they were within the range of the colleges she was applying to; her SATs were below range. </p>
<p>She realized that the SATs were included on her transcript AFTER the transcript was already sent to U of Chicago. After that, she requested that all test scores be removed from her transcript, and the gc said that he would do so. </p>
<p>My d. was admitted to Chicago, Barnard & NYU. After she enrolled at Barnard, when she went on the computer system for preenrollment.... her SAT scores were there. Since she hadn't sent them, it means that the gc had sent them despite saying that he would take them off - perhaps he took them off initially but forgot to do so when midyear grades were sent in. </p>
<p>In any case, it turns out that Barnard had known all along about the weak SAT scores. We assume that the other colleges had them as well. </p>
<p>Given that situation, I am not sure that the colleges look <em>negatively</em> at scores -- they may just focus an the highest score they have submitted. Also, I am not sure what they do with score information that is received from other-than-official channels -- I know that my d's colleges all would have insisted on official (CB) reports if she had wanted to submit SATs. After all, it is very possible that there could be a mistake on the high school records, or the high school could lack information on a retest with a higher score.</p>
<p>I don't know the legalities of this -- but I just want to let you know that, in hindsight, it seems that I spent a lot of time last year stressing over something that didn't matter in the end. I would agree that it is a good idea to have unwanted information removed from the transcript if possible... but I just wanted to let you know that if you don't succeed, it may not matter all that much. Your daughter should still feel comfortable applying to her reach colleges, at least if her ACTs are acceptable for those schools.</p>
<p>The SAT report includes both SAT-II and SAT scores. So if your D applied to schools that required the SAT-II, the schools would have seen the SAT scores as well without their being listed on her transcript.</p>
<p>Marite, the point is, my daughter did NOT apply to any private colleges requiring SAT II's. She submitted ACT only. She did not want the colleges to see her SAT IIs.</p>
<p>joyo -
good luck in all this. My only 2 cents is that bringing in a legal eagle might tend to put off people that your d will be needing a rec from.</p>
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I'm surprised that the 3 schools do not require SAT-IIs.
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The three schools do require SAT IIs if you apply with SAT I. All three take the ACT in lieu of both SAT I and SAT IIs, and you never have to send any SATs.</p>
<p>I live in New York. I was able to print out some material from FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act) hopefully it will do of some help.
actually believe it or not, looking back on my eldest daughter's transcript (4 years ago) none of her scores were on her transcript, only her gpa and class averages. The principal is telling me this has been going on for 34 years. I will not let them do this to my younger daughter. </p>
<p>I have actually contacted the State Board who was of no help, I called college board, the same results. Unfortunately this is such a specific topic that there aren't enough resources to find anything in detail.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your help, the meeting is tomorrow; wish me luck!</p>
<p>joyo - I've expressed my views in the other thread. The only other thing I can suggest is taking a copy of your older daughter's transcript with you, and at some appropriate point ask "When did the school policy change with regard to putting SAT scores on the transcript, and what was the reason for the change?" If you show the Principal that you are well informed s/he may be more willing to work with you. Best of luck with tomorrow's meeting.</p>
<p>Hard to believe your school principal and guidance office won't honor such a simple and reasonable request. </p>
<p>Worst case, tell the colleges that you are not submitting SAT scores, you are choosing the option of not submitting, therefore the Collegeboard will not be sending them a score report and kindly disregard anything that looks like an SAT score. I think someone already mentioned this, but when you are required to submit SAT scores they must come from the Collegeboard, not the high school. (edit - Apparently that is not true; ie, scores appearing on the HS transcript may be acceptable at some colleges. Either way you can ask the colleges to disregard these scores).</p>
<p>From an article discussing the move to SAT optional:
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McDermott said that officials are very pleased with the switch, especially now that they have thought through some unexpected issues. For example, some high schools include SAT scores on student transcripts, and Holy Cross had to decide whether to look at such scores. The college decided not to — unless there was some affirmative indication from students that they wanted the scores to be seen.
<p>From the Collegeboard's website. You don't think they would give up all that revenue from score reports by letting the high schools report the scores on the student's transcript, do you? </p>
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Only scores sent directly from the College Board are "official." For example, photocopied score reports or scores on your high school transcript can not be validated.