Med School List - Feedback please?

<p>Hi everyone!
I was looking for some feedback on the medical schools I was looking to apply to. Here's a bit about me:</p>

<p>Cumulative GPA: 3.814
Science GPA: 3.789</p>

<p>Undergrad education @ a top 10 university
Major: Biomedical Engineering
Minor: Chemistry</p>

<p>MCAT: 36R (14P, 10V, 12B)</p>

<p>EC's: varsity athlete, hospital volunteering, worked at the clinical research unit, peer tutor, president of my sorority, and participate in research</p>

<p>Other fun facts: shadowed for 8 weeks during the summer, studied abroad for a summer in South Africa</p>

<p>Illinois Resident</p>

<p>Here is my current list of schools. I would love to hear some feedback and get any suggestions about which schools y'all think I could add:</p>

<p>Stanford
UCSF
Columbia
Duke
University of Washington
Pittsburgh
Cornell
UVA
UNC
NYU
Rochester
Boston University
Wake Forest
Temple
University of Utah
VCU
Loyola</p>

<p>To me, this list seems a little top heavy. Am I wasting my time looking at state schools? (UWAsh, UVA, UNC, UUtah)</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

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<p>For UDub, as a non-WWAMI (WA, WY, AK, MT, ID) resident, unless you are disadvantaged or you’re interested in AND have a record of working with underserved communities, it doesn’t matter what your gpa or MCAT are, you won’t even receive a secondary. Here’s their statement, and I have yet to know if any exceptions to it:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.uwmedicine.org/education/md-program/admissions/applicants/pages/applicationprocedureandrequirements.aspx[/url]”>http://www.uwmedicine.org/education/md-program/admissions/applicants/pages/applicationprocedureandrequirements.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>UVA is pretty open to OOS residents. I think UUtah is too, but not positive. I think UNC is tighter, but not impossible. Check the USN&WR/MSAR data.</p>

<p>To answer your question: that’s a top-heavy list. And the state schools listed are tough for an out-of-stater to get accepted at.
Why aren’t you applying at University of Illinois? Several campuses, many spots for talented in-state applicants such as yourself…I’d recommend that you apply to your in-state school. Getting accepted at any school relieves a lot of pressure; your numbers are good for UI, and maybe an early acceptance there will lead to many other acceptances. But get that first one-apply to University of Illinois.</p>

<p>I think you need to let us know why you picked your list of possible medical schools because
I am not sure I understand why you picked the schools on your list. I agree that U of Washington should off of your list because of your residency. U of Illinois should be on your list as a state resident. Although you seem like a decent bet for admission to most medical schools your list is top heavy. There is some luck involved in the process for the most competitive schools. I think you need some mid level schools and lower on your list.</p>

<p>It looks like you’re a strong applicant and I have a feeling that with a well-crafted list, you’ll pick up an acceptance (and possibly multiple).</p>

<p>Let me throw some theory at you (apologies for not having many raw numbers/data). You may already know some/most of this, but just in case you don’t:</p>

<p>1) All MD-granting med schools in the US are wonderful and are capable of turning out fantastic doctors. Every single US med student must pass the same licensing boards, and the pass rate for first-time test takers nation wide is around 95%. At the same time, med schools vary slightly by what type of docs they tend to turn out (although I would argue you can become whatever type of doc you want regardless of where you go to school), so this is something you may want to take into consideration when you’re building your list (eg are you interested in primary care in your state? Becoming the next Surgeon General? Heading up a bunch of high-powered clinical trials? Doing bench research?). The approach to med school is entirely different from the approach to undergrad. I don’t get the impression you’re looking for prestige, but regardless wanted to mention that it’s far from the sine qua non of a medical career.</p>

<p>2) Your best chance for admission will always be your state’s state school. This is typically your least expensive option also. You should apply to every one of your state’s state schools unless you have an incredibly compelling reason not to. Occasionally the attitude on this board is that state schools are second rate or second tier or otherwise inferior to private schools; I personally disagree, and believe my training from my state’s state school has been both academically challenging and personally rewarding. I would encourage you to look seriously into your options in Illinois!</p>

<p>3) After your state’s state schools, your best chance for admission would be somewhere that fits your stats and your personality; I think this makes logical sense. While you may believe you could fit in in any med school culture and in any curriculum style, that’s probably not true. You should do some soul-searching to figure out what you’re looking for in a school (and recognize that your preferences are important!). I think good places to start are with class size (which generally breaks down to <100, ~150, >200) and curriculum style (ie traditional/lecture based, more innovative/problems based, pass/fail, etc). You should be able to find this information on their websites.</p>

<p>4) Another thing to keep in mind is that the likelihood of being accepted to any one school is dismal, regardless of how strong an applicant you are. The reason for this is that there are so many more qualified applicants than there are spaces; many highly qualified applicants are rejected every year simply because of space constraints. This doesn’t mean you’re a weak applicant or that you shouldn’t go to med school; what it means is that you should apply intelligently to a broad range of schools, and probably aim for 12-18 apps. Unless you have a compelling reason to do so, you should try to avoid putting all your proverbial eggs in one basket.</p>

<p>5) You are probably used to doing well in classes and on exams. I bet you write well and are an engaging conversationalist. You have clearly enjoyed competitive success, as you mentioned you’re a varsity athlete. All of these are awesome! However, it is very easy to go into this process assuming that you’re going to be part of the minority that is accepted to a top school because that’s how things have gone for you in the past. I would encourage you not to become complacent and to recognize that the competition out there is FIERCE. At the same time, you should recognize that you have a lot to offer, and that applying to med school is about finding the school that is the right fit for you–marketing yourself persuasively is crucial to your success. I am routinely impressed and amazed by the accomplishments of my classmates, and I am happy to be considered one of their peers. But realizing that this was a whole new ball game in terms of the accomplishments of the people I was fighting against took me a lot longer than it should have!</p>

<p>In regards to your list: if I were in your shoes, I’d go for most/all of the IL schools, a handful of privates that are within your stats ranges, and a handful of elite schools. I agree with you that your current list is pretty top-heavy, and I think you’ll find some useful suggestions from others on this board! Good luck!</p>

<p>I dont think its a very top heavy list. I think its fine. Just remove UWash and maybe UNC, and add all the IL schools (public and private).</p>

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I have the impression that IL has many med schools. If this is the case, is IL somewhat like TX in he sense that both are relatively “easier” states if the goal is to get into a med school no matter what the schools are?</p>

<p>Hmm…why isn’t NW in the list? NW is not a “reject happy” (borrow a phrase “trigger happy” here) med school like U. of Chicago just because U. of Chicago could afford to hang some carrot (free money) in front of the applicants.</p>

<p>I also notice there are relatively few med schools in the heartland. It is often the case that heartland med schools like applicants from heartland; east coast med schools like those their their coat, ditto for the west coast. Poor “exiles” from California are exceptions to this trend.</p>

<p>^ IL has many med schools, but most are private. So not like Texas.
I would add UMich to the list too</p>

<p>Thanks for all the feedback!</p>

<p>Most of the schools I picked were ranked by US News & WR for AIDS, which I am interested in. Other than that, I had just gone with schools I had heard of peers applying to - not exactly the best strategy for constructing a balanced list which is why I came to this forum for advice =)</p>

<p>Most of the schools in Illinois are private - NW isn’t on my list because I personally do not find Evanston or NW’s campus an enjoyable place and don’t think I would find myself happy there (also a huge reason why I didn’t attend undergrad there)</p>

<p>Northwestern isnt in evanston. It has the best location out of any of the chicago schools in streeterville</p>

<p>isn’t that ranking for the clinical department at the hospital? It may have absolutely no bearing on the quality of the medical education and you may end up not going into ID.</p>

<p>U of Illinois has 1351 medical students on four different campuses around the state. With your numbers, it’s worth the application-the cost of being an in-state student there may start to look very appealing compared to the cost of a private medical school. Apply! You’re numbers make you extremely competitive, and there’s nothing better than getting that first acceptance(first of many…).</p>

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<p>Unless they have an agreement with nearby states, like UDub’s WWAMI, UVA is relatively open to OOS residents, at least compared to many other public Med schools:</p>

<p>[Quick</a> Stats — School of Medicine at the University of Virginia](<a href=“http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/education/medical-students/admissions/the-uva-som/quick-stats.html]Quick”>http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/education/medical-students/admissions/the-uva-som/quick-stats.html)</p>

<p>The percent if IS/OOS applicants vs. IS/OOS matriculants at UVA is similar to UMichigan:</p>

<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Throw the Aids list from USNEWS in the round file. Now. Better to pick based on “best pizza”. Keep UVA. Ditch U-Dub and why is VCU on the list? Pull out a MSAR and look at UNC and UU OOS stats. Add all Illiniois schools. Just hold your nose and do it. :wink: Add Emory. Add any reaches you want to add and can afford to add. Curl up with a MSAR or buy USNEWS online and look at the OOS/IS stats. </p>

<p>The only possible negative is the 10 verbal. “Rumors” are that some tippy-top schools cull un-hooked apps at 10 or below any section. </p>

<p>Oh, and congratulations on a great college career. Craft a good list, don’t show up with a saltine in your hair, and you’ll be headed to med school.</p>

<p>And yeah. I get the appeal of UU. Your screen name helps. So add Dartmouth. ;)</p>

<p>Looks like Illinois state schools have only about 390 seats. However, about 327 seats were instate.</p>

<p>Rush, Loyola and Franklin do have 45-58% in state too.</p>

<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>With only 390 seats at state schools, IL is not like TX. (But it is still “better” than many other States.) I guess it makes it up by having more private ones. It is somewhat ironic that a blue state has few seats at state schools while a red state has so many.</p>

<p>I agree that NW is located at “Stanford like” location - in a wealthy neighborhood. The only concern by going there is no wealthy patients want to be near med school students or even residents. Not so wealthy patients could be more “useful” for the training of students.</p>

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<p>There is a LOT of misinformation here.</p>

<p>First off, Northwestern’s UNDERGRAD program is in Evanston. Anyone who thinks Evanston is “wealthy” isn’t paying attention. It is a very mixed and diverse community, with some pockets of wealth and some pockets of poverty.</p>

<p>Second, Northwestern’s MEDICAL SCHOOL / HOSPITAL are in the city of Chicago itself. And to hear you say that “no wealthy patients want to be near med school students or residents” is silly. If anything, Northwestern hospital attracts <em>wealthier</em> people than the norm, who desire to have the “Northwestern name” for their medical care (whether or not the care is actually any better than U of Chicago, Rush, NorthShore, Loyola, etc. is up for debate). </p>

<p>Please don’t just make up stuff. It’s not helpful.</p>

<p>I honestly do not know NW med school is in the city of Chicago. Our family has never had exposed to that school or its affilliated med school. It was an honest mistake on my part. However, one of DS’s high school classmates went there for UG. He did not mention his school is in a 'bad ’ area, at least near his campus. Also, I heard its HPME combined program is highly sought after by ambitious "high school premeds ".</p>