Medium Size College Search (Warm Weather, 33 ACT)

@sophiavictoria:

First, thank you for engaging on this thread. Its nice to see a student so thoughtful in your approach and responding to everyone.

I can understand your need for merit aid, and you’ll hear of lots of schools that offer this, even though it may be rare to actually get aid from them. When my first daughter was applying, we sort of “heard” who offered aid (e.g. through this forum, from the school literature, etc), and applied to those schools and mostly struck out on aid except at some schools well below her stats, but she got lots of acceptances. She ended up at Cornell, I didn’t get any financial help there, they don’t offer academic scholarships, and so I (gulp) paid full fare.

We got smarter for my 2nd daughter, and had a better hit rate for merit aid. Some background: some schools apply their aid as financial aid: the Ivy’s, many other top schools, etc… If you come from a low income family, you’ll get your best deal from these schools which also happen to be the top schools - they don’t have to offer merit aid to anyone because everyone wants to go there. “common knowledge” is wrong, very low income students can afford Harvard/Cornell/etc - it will be essentially free for them and cheaper than the local community college, the hard part is getting in!

If you have an upper middle class income, you’ll want to find a school thats “buying” good students with their aid. How do you find them? Look at the “common data set” for the school in question (google search: common data set ‘school name’ ). You’ll see lots of interesting numbers, but in section H it will say how much the school gives for financial aid, and how much it gives for academic scholarships. For instance, Tulane had 1909 full time freshman last year, 802 of them were awarded non-need based (ie. MERIT) aid, at an average of nearly $24K each. I challenge you to find a school that does better on this metric, and it’s an excellent school too!

Anyway, looking at the common data sets, you’ll find that a lot of schools which talk up their merit aid, don’t really offer it much. “Deep pockets and short arms” as a friend of mine says. So don’t bother applying there if you are targeting getting merit aid.

OK, so with a 33 ACT for Tulane, you may get in, but aid might be more of a trickle than a stream. Take that ACT a few more times till you hit a 34-35, and you should have a better shot at aid there and elsewhere, and the aid will make the fees and time you spent on the ACTs look well invested, and this will apply to other schools as well. Try the SATs too, you may do better on them.

I don’t know your other stats, so your mileage may vary, all disclaimers apply :slight_smile: . (my 2nd daughter took the SATs, then the ACTs 3 times: 34, 34, 36, bingo! again, your mileage may vary, what helped her know she could do better was that the sub scores varied on the first 2 runs, so she knew if she could hit her best in all categories on the same day it would be good, and she was trying to tie a friend’s 35. She got a great aid package at Tulane, but frankly she liked the school so much she would have gone there anyway).

Anyway, as you search for “aid”, look at the common data sets and target the schools that have historically given aid.

Best,
Ken

@kencc83 Thank you for this insight. For the most part, I’ve pretty much already been looking at schools below my stats that offer merit aid. I’m not planning on taking the ACT again though, and I’m most likely not taking the SAT, so my current stats are what I’m going to be applying with.

@suzyQ7 Yeah we’ve been meaning to run net price calculators but my mom hasn’t wanted to get out tax documents and stuff. I’ll definitely talk with her and my dad more and urge them to do it soon, thanks.

Thanks for all the help everyone. This is my updated list now, in preference order-

Out of the ones I’ve visited:
Loyola Marymount
Chapman
Pepperdine
Occidental (maybe)
American
U Miami
Belmont

Out of the ones I haven’t visited:
Rollins
Eckerd
U San Diego
Trinity
Texas Christian
U Arizona
Miss or Bama
Bowling Green (in-state)

Obviously I still need to narrow it down, but I think I have a wider range now than when I first started this thread. If anyone still has suggestions/comments I’d be happy to hear. Thanks again guys.

@sophiavictoria , you have a great list!

Based on the schools you liked, I think you would also like Trinity and Rollins.

I urge you to apply to at least 2 guaranteed full tuition, like Bama and Ole Miss. As a parent with a Bama grad, no school runs as smooth as Bama. If you visit, set up your visit through the Honors College. It will be tailored just to you. Request to meet with the Dean of the Honors College. He is very honest about what Bama can and can’t do.

Ole Miss feels like a much smaller campus than it actually is because it is fairly self enclosed.

I haven’t visited any others on your list of not visited.

Another thing to consider when researching is to look at AP and CLEP award credits . That is a way to reduce cost by reducing a semester.

@Longhaul Thanks, that’s good advice. And I’ve taken one AP class (US history with a 4) but as I mentioned a bit above, I’m taking dual enrollment classes full time currently, so by the time I graduate high school I’ll have 60 transferable college credits from a 4-year Ohio public university. I’ve already spoken with people at the schools I’ve visited about what credits probably will or won’t transfer and all of them except Oxy and American made it sound like a good number probably will. So I’m hoping that holds true for the others I’m looking at as well to possibly reduce costs.

I have not read every comment in this thread, but have you and your parents run the NPC at any of the schools you might be interested in? If not, do it now.

@mamom No we haven’t yet, my mom hasn’t wanted to get out tax documents and stuff but I’m gonna ask if she’ll be able to this weekend or sometime soon

If you’re open to large state schools (eg. Alabama, Ole Miss), look at Clemson too (visited there, nice school, happy students, and they offered merit aid to my daughter).

Note also that the NPC is mainly useful to figuring out if you’ll get financial aid, it won’t address merit aid. If you qualify for financial aid, you’ll likely get the best deals (lowest net cost) from “reach” schools which also tend to be the “rich” schools. Merit aid hunting is best at your safety schools.

So, running the NPC is a great thing to do, but once you get this set up, my suggestion is to pick a few rich reach schools and give them a go to.

I second (or third?) Trinity University. It is an upcoming and high-energy school in a great city and has a big endowment that it uses to attract strong students with big merit scholarships. I’m not sure why you initially crossed it off your list but maybe take another look?

@kencc83 I’m only interested in Alabama and Ole Miss (and Arizona) because they give automatic merit aid. Clemson’s merit isn’t guaranteed. And I’ll keep that in mind about the NPC, thanks.

@tkoparent Thanks. To be honest, I’m not sure what made me initially disregard it either, but I’m glad I’m taking a second look now.

Am I missing your GPA? Can you please share this ? Some of the schools mentioned can be very unpredictable with merit. LMU, USD and Santa Clara in particular. LMU is not known for giving a lot of merit, but my son with a 33 ACT got 28k this year. He received no merit at USD, where we aniticpated he would get substanial merit.

@sophiavictoria

My kid is a Santa Clara grad. There are less than 10% of students who are part of Greek life there.

The issue you may encounter is that SCU doesn’t meet full need, and it’s expensive. We are not particularly wealthy and our kid loved it there. But we were able to be full pay pretty much.

Did you take Ohio University off of your list for a reason?

@thumper1 Okay, thanks for that insight about Santa Clara. I took OU off because I figured if I’m applying to a couple of those out-of-state schools with automatic merit, I don’t need more than one in-state backup. But maybe I’ll change my mind after I visit a couple more Ohio schools.

@2mrmagoo Well colleges recalculate GPAs anyway, so it doesn’t matter as much what my school says it is (and my school calculates GPAs kinda weirdly). I think once colleges recalculate it unweighted it’ll be around 3.8, but I’m not completely sure yet. And yes, I’m aware that merit aid can vary among those schools, that’s why I’m trying to have a wide range of schools on my list to look at.

Unfortunately, the weather for the Smith/UMass/etc consortium cannot be considered warm. Same is true for Simmons consortia in Boston. You’d get a month of glory before you leave each summer, and 2 exquisite months upon return in the fall. The rest is decidedly Not Warm.

The Honors College at College of Charleston . Suburban school in Charleston,SC. Great public health program. Lots of study abroad programs. Approx 10,000 students. It is a state public liberal arts curriculum school. 25 minutes to the beach. Lots of cultural activities. The new president is Chinese American and working strongly on increasing diversity. My oldest is a William Aiken Fellow in The Honors College. He loves it. My youngest will be starting in the Fall.

@sophiavictoria

This is not true at all colleges. Many use the GPA that is reported on your transcript…and do not recalculate.

IIRC, University of Alabama uses the GPA which is on your transcript. @mom2collegekids ?

I’m going to give you my opinion…there are a lot of colleges where the weather is warmer most of the year, and there is no snow. But you need to be a little more flexible in thinking about these schools if significant merit aid is needed. You may need to compromise on the size of the college…or the average SAT or ACT score to get the merit aid you need.

Folks here have mentioned some fabulous colleges…and you have basically said no to a lot of them.

What is your intended major? Did I miss that? That could help focus your search for a school.

And really knowing your HS GPA weighted and unweighted would be helpful to know too…as most merit awards consider GPA as well as standardized test scores,

Have you run the NPCs with your mother yet?
Showing her scholarships, if, like most parents, she had no idea what college costs these days, is not helping her understand costs or that giving you a 15k budget is going to severely limit your options.
Do you have any idea what your family’s income is? (Basically, under 65k? Under 95? 125? 180?)