MERIT PACKAGES - What? When? How?

Agree, the biggest problem come merit time is that people put way too much weight on test scores and gpa and how much it determines merit. Our public high school had 16 valedictorians - yes, 16 students with a perfect 4.0 at just one high school among the thousands and thousands of high schools around the world.

Who is more interesting to have as part of the student body - the student with a perfect gpa and high test scores with the usual ECs, or the kid with a solid gpa and test scores, that already has his pilot license and wants to study aeronautical engineering? At USC, it will be the latter.

There are applicants with 4.0 uw/4.6w and the other goods that do not get accepted yet get merit; it happens more than you think. This is a great article on the reality at USC:

https://tfm.usc.edu/a-guide-to-uscs-college-admissions-process/

A few other factors make stats not a very good predictor for merit and frankly admission itself. First is your intended major. Some majors at USC attract more high stats kids than others do and school generally wants a balanced overall body. So stat by intended major may be more meaningful. But as mentioned there’s always the non-stat parts esp. for those less analytical majors. Above all holistic really just means it’s somewhat subjective and if admission officers find nuggets in you for whatever reason then that’s it :). And finally I think USC has to play some balancing act too. If they only target kids with Harvard/Stanford bound credentials, the yield from merit offers could look terrible. Not sure they want that either.

Agree with @Just4Years, @SEArent, and @Shimainu and @CADREAMIN about factoring in more than stats for merit. @CADREAMIN, that’s amazing that a school would have that many valedictorians. On the other side, reflective of my son’s high school and many others, ranking can be less important than other factors. Many in the top ten have gotten there by taking a less rigorous course load to boost their GPA. Multiple students have high GPAs with lower SAT or ACT than students who are ranked 10 to 30. We have students ranked 15 to 25 (still top 10%) that have been accepted into Ivy schools. Some with lower GPAs have been accepted to top ten universities that are not Ivies. I agree that the final decisions on merit awards should be based on more than GPA or standardized tests. Not to say GPA and tests should not be considered. What students are doing outside of school/grades can be more important, certainly equally important.

Just got mail - nothing from USC. Judging that nobody posted about receiving the letters/boxes today we’ll have to wait till Wednesday the earliest.

@Nomorelurker At my kids’ high school, everyone with 4.0 or higher is also a “valedictorian”. S15 was one of about 20. This seemed weird to me because back in the stone ages when I was in high school, there was only one valedictorian and one salutatorian. Not sure if kids just study a lot harder these days, or if there is more grade inflation, or whatever. D18’s gpa is well above 4.0 but she says there are several kids ranked above her.

My guess is they will go out Monday with first package posting around 11:30-12:30 on Tuesday.

Would be great if postings about merit packages being received are put on the USC Class of 2022 thread to track for next year.

Just a guess. Good luck all!

I think by GPA 4.0 for “valedictorian” it’s all un-weighted so 4.0 is the max you can get. But most colleges (incl USC) weigh it on their own so some honor and/or AP courses can count 5 for an A. How competitive your HS is plays a role too that’s why they look at SAT/ACT but by and large GPA counts the most. Not sure about USC but some colleges calibrate GAP by difficulty of HS too. In a competitive HS I’d think most valedictorians would target ivies and the like first and then schools like USC except for some special programs USC excel more. Of course unlike USC most top schools don’t offer merit scholarship much at all.

@Shimainu, your D probably doesn’t know the answer to this, but of the 20 valedictorians, did they all have the same rigor or number of AP classes? A 4.0 is great but is it comparing apples to apples if one student has 15 AP classes and another has a 4.0 with mostly on level classes? Not saying that is the case at her school. I understand of course that USC must also consider that some schools only offer limited numbers of AP classes and there are hard working students who have excelled in other ways. Good point @Just4Years that universities may also consider how competitive a high school is. Being in the top 30 in one school may be relatively similar or better than top 10 or 15 at another.

To an earlier point made by @CADREAMIN , do USC or other top schools prefer a student with perfect grades and average EC activities, or the student with lower GPA who won national or state competitions in a field of interest? A student may have invented something that made an impact on a field or community. Some students who have high stats, rank, and won a state or national competition still might not be accepted or be given merit. It may be frustrating when reading that another student with lower stats was awarded merit.

I respect that USC and some other universities consider so many factors in trying to put together a broad student body. Hopefully when the scholarships start going out, whether Monday or Tuesday, students and families including ours will accept the results and know that it can be a roll of the dice. In reading the 2021 thread, students who did not get merit or in some cases did not get into USC in March, were accepted to other great schools. Difficult to initially deal with if USC is a dream school, but it may help to prepare oneself that high stats and/or rank are not a guarantee.

@shewayriot At this stage, admissions and financial aid are working independently. I would not read anything into inquiries from Financial Aid. If admitted though, with or without merit consideration, your FA package as a QB Finalist will likely be excellent… and likely worth more in terms of grants, etc than what the merit scholarship alone would be. Either way, FA first determines your total need, then deducts all scholarships you will be receiving, before they apply grants, etc. USC is committed to meeting 100% of your demonstrated financial need. I suggest simply providing them what they request as soon as feasible. Good Luck.

Valedictorian is very different than in the dark ages when I went to school. Ask most independent college counselor and it does not matter anymore. First, every school has different criteria for Valedictorian whereby some schools have lots of Vals and others only have 1. By the time it is announced, the kids are already in their school. What colleges look at are the students at each high school and what is available to them to take in terms of courses. That is why every college has a high school profile for each kid applying. And regional reps know their high schools and the reputations, etc. The best advice for any child is to take the most rigourous schedule available to them at their high school AND take 5 years of core subjects (math, english, science, social science and language). As far as merit, my D was offered interview for Trustee last year (36, 4.8 and many ECs and awards) and in the end did not get. For her, she may have attended if given the full tuition, but she had other better choices for her, so USC quickly fell out of the running upon learning she did not get Trustee, but a lesser amount. USC does not look for just high scores, but I believe from the others she met - kids who have done “something”…just my 2 cents.

In the next few days, likely over 28K of those who applied by Dec 1st, will not be moving forward in the merit scholarship process. Many applicants (& their families) will of course be astonished that they did not gain such an offering. But before you lash out in astonishment, if that comes your way, just think carefully about the #s and what USC itself faces when judging and evaluating 30K or so distinct applicants… all vying for just 800-1200 spots open right now.

By March, more than 46K of those who applied in total will not even have been admitted. Rejection in any form is hard to cope with, but it is a part of growing up and transitioning into the real world beyond high school. My family faced it twice already, in 2014 and last year. My daughters collectively dealt with 19 rejections. My advice is to focus on the continuing opportunities and not the rejections.

In terms of the merit decisions, it is not all about the #s. USC does recalculate GPAs. They judge the level of difficulty based on what you could have taken at your specific high school. They make their own determinations, as different school districts weight and rank differently. They also consider AP and IB test results. And of course they consider SAT and ACT test results. But USC does dig much deeper… as they prefer applicants that demonstrate depth and passion. ECs and Essays matter greatly. But your designated first choice major also matters greatly. Some who may have been offered merit are not simply because they were not also granted admission by the school housing that first choice major. For example, IYA and SCA accept far less than the norm for the university overall (around 15-16%). Those such applicants may be admitted later, but only as Undeclared.

But it is primarily now a #s game driven by huge #s of applicants at all of America’s elite colleges and universities. The Common Application has made it fairly simple to apply to many schools. Many high school seniors now apply to 10+ or even 15+ colleges. Both of mine applied to at least 15. This of course skews the #s even more… making it even harder on colleges to decide among so many qualified applicants.

Neither of my daughters advanced in the merit process when they applied to USC, but they are both there now. For some families, not being offered merit or enough money in terms of merit dollars will itself eliminate USC from their consideration. This is a partial reason why USC’s yield rate is still in the mid 30s.

Things will turn soon enough in favor of the applicants deciding. By late March, most high school seniors will then themselves have their turn to evaluate and reject colleges that have already accepted them. Those decisions will be tough too.

Good luck to those waiting to hear the news this week. If you are among the fortunate 3-4%, be thankful and a little gracious. And if you are among the 96-97% disappointed, just take it all in stride. It is far from the end of the world :slight_smile:

I’m mad at myself for getting my hopes up because I know I’m not going to get it.

@WWWard very well written. Clearly spells out the real-world situation. Best posting I’ve seen here.

@shawnwax Thanks

I don’t expect to get anything … but that’s not stopping me from constantly checking College Confidential… I just can’t stop checking lol

Ha, you are talking to someone that has been here 6 years, I get it. :slight_smile:

Anyone heard anything?

wait so its being sent out tomorrow, and should it arrive on the east coast wed/thurs?

Do we know for sure that they will be sent tomorrow?

The only people that know ‘for sure’ are in some building at USC…and unfortunately, not positing here.