As @rjkofnovi stated above:
It’s almost like concierge service at a hotel or concierge medicine. You pay extra for the added value. But I’m done here with discussing OOS UMich costs for Californian.
Glad we are able to agree on this point and really is the only reason I responded in the first place; all of those great aspects of UM (good housing, smallish classes, etc.) come at a cost especially for “full pay” OOS families. If someone gets great financial aid, good for them, if not UCLA is an excellent choice for an in-state student. They will save 130K and the student won’t have to deal with those “brutal” Ann Arbor winters lol. Have a wonderful evening…
@ rjkofnovi “Ya think? With few exceptions, who in their right minds would pay OOS costs to attend tOSU without “generous” incentives. Michigan charges elite rates like the privates , and gets them, because it is an elite school. This isn’t football boomer. Michigan academically is in a different league compared to Ohio State, even though both are in the BIG. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is”
Elite? LOL! Excellent? Yes $270K for OOS? Sorry I would aks the same question. Who in the right mind would pay OOS to attend UM? As far as the Business School rating US News is providing, tOSU along with the others mentioned are not that far behind. The admission rate at Michigan is close to 30 percent. I would not consider that percentage Elite… Anything below 10% would be more like it. When you look at the say rankings mentioned above, some of these schools are not that far behind and for sure offer MUCH MORE VALUE than Michigan especially when it comes to an OOS student.
“ Sorry I would aks the same question. Who in the right mind would pay OOS to attend UM?”
Apparently quite a few people from Ohio and full pay too!
“ As far as the Business School rating US News is providing, tOSU along with the others mentioned are not that far behind. “
Undergrad business schools and those that recruit from them, are prestige wh*res. There is a precipitous drop off in prestige once you get past the first few top rated schools, which Ohio State is not among.
“The admission rate at Michigan is close to 30 percent. I would not consider that percentage Elite…”
Not only are your percentages off, but your idea of elite is solely based on admit rate? If that were the case, tOSU has an admit rate of close to 55%. No wonder they have to offer incentives to get better students. I’ll admit Ohio State has come a long way from years ago, when one simply needed a heartbeat and a high school diploma to get accepted.
Michigan is a great school and the town of Ann Arbor is a huge plus too. I always enjoy visiting the school. We would have been full pay there, and we paid close to the same for the private university we picked over it. But then we paid OOS prices that were close to double of our SUNYs for one of our kids who really liked, Pitt, PSU UMD, UDe schools.
I wonder if what appears to be strategy in deferring high stats OOS kids who apply EA there helps. I was struck my the number of kids deferred who paired a UM EA with a SCEA or ED school and got into the more selective school (not always early).
I stole this from @rjkofnovi from another one of the USNWR rankings threads:
UMich gets more OOS and International apps than UCLA. Wow! Lot of value there! ?
No. The overall admission rate for the Class of 2023 is 23%. The OOS admissions rate is 19%.
For the Class of 2022 roughly 40,000 apps were received of the 66,000 total. About 8,000 were accepted during EA, including my high stat kid. So about 50% of acceptances were during EA. So a lot of the remaining 32,000 EA apps were either deferred or rejected.
“I was struck my the number of kids deferred who paired a UM EA with a SCEA or ED school and got into the more selective school (not always early).”
I wonder if Michigan will start an ED program like so many other elite privates already have? I know UVA already has one in place.
I never thought of UM as an “Elite” University the same way, I will never think of UF (34) as an Elite University. They are for sure top tier when it comes to Publics but for sure not the same cache as Harvard, Princeton, or any of those Ivy League. Then again, UF is much much cheaper to attend than UM as an OOS student.
Many get OOS aid at Michigan. With two kids in college we do. When my daughter graduates next year we will see. Michigan is just slightly more expensive then UIUC for engineering for us. It has been totally worth the extra costs.
3 years ago or so they opened up OOS financial aid through their Michigan Grant program. Their the only school offering us money OOS and we got nothing from our Instate UIUC. Wisconsin, Purdue - $0.00.
The opportunities on campus especially for my son has been unreal. His resume reads like a book just after two years. More opportunities through two different professors literally just this week. If you have the initiative to ask, they will help you at no end. This has been similar to others that we know that have gone here.
@sushiritto said it best on another thread and we need to make t-shirts and bumper stickers… “It’s a big school with a small school feel”. Just not on game days.
LOL ?.
In terms of being of “elite,” opinions will vary.
USNWR Top 25 sounds pretty elite to me. QS World University Rankings rank UMich as #21 in the world and #11 in the US. Top public too.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2020
I never thought of UM as an “Elite” University the same way, I will never think of UF (34) as an Elite University“
Well, we both can agree with Florida not being elite. 
"I never thought of UM as an “Elite” University the same way, I will never think of UF (34) as an Elite University“
Well, we both can agree with Florida not being elite. :-)"
It seems that the only “Elite” get to go to UM.
According to The New York TImes “the University of Michigan has the highest share of students from the top 1%. The Times estimates that 9.3% of Michigan students come from families that make roughly $630,000 or more per year and the median family income of a University Michigan student is $154,000.” So much for diversity!
“How did Cal and UCLA do in the peer assessment category?”
Sushirito, Cal’s PA rating was 4.7 (as usual) and UCLA’s was 4.3 (also as usual).
Boomer, Michigan is generally considered “elite”, but it obviously depends on one’s own definition of the term. If you base your definition solely on admission rates, Michigan’s 23% acceptance rate will probably not qualify it as elite (although at the current rate, Michigan’s admit rate will likely drop to 15% in the next 4-5 years). But most people associate a university’s elite status on academic prowess and reputation, resources and alumni success. If one looks as these metrics, Michigan is elite.
I don’t think it would be to UM’s advantage to switch to ED. They are doing just fine deferring all the EA apps they are getting who end up notifying UMich that they accepted their other early choice. Since UM did not offer these kids a seat, they do not count in the acceptance numbers thereby keeping UM more selective.
If they change to ED, apps would go down. Around here UM has often been partnered with a more selective ED or EA school.
As a current student at Michigan, I can say from personal experience that, in reality, the OOS cost of attending Michigan is in many cases not $67,000 a year for all four years that one attends the school.
Michigan, once a student is enrolled and on campus, is actually quite generous with scholarships and financial aid to OOS students, if you take initiative and go out and find this financial aid. I cannot stress this enough: Michigan does not hand out OOS aid to students during the admission process, and will not often just hand it out to you on campus, but if you search for it yourself, you will find that the school is actually very, very interested in giving you aid.
With that said, here was my personal financial aid experience at Michigan as an OOS student:
Freshman year: Full cost ($63,000, I dont remember the exact number)
Sophmore year: awarded 4 scholarhips from the University after applying for them:
$18,000 grant
$7,500 alumni scholarship
$2,000 OOS alumni scholarship
$1,500 Ross alumni scholarship
Additionally, housing costs ($12,000 I think was the number I saw this thread using?)
have in reality been around $9500 for me every year after freshman year)
Repeat these numbers each for junior year and my current senior year.
Michigan website reports Cost of attendance as around $70,000 for upperclassmen. In reality, I have not paid above $40,000 to attend the school since freshman year. Furthermore, Michigan Tuition is now cheaper than full cost of my in-state flagship, which itself is a well regarded public U.
Now, I understand this is anecdotal. Not everyone is going to be as fortunate as I am. But seriously, OOS parents, please encourage your students to search out scholarship commitees and applications on campus! It’s actually very easy - almost all alumni groups are connnected to one system where you submit one application, only my larger alum scholarship required extra essays. Also, they get renewed every year without me needing to do anything except hold my GPA. I am not a 4.0 student and have not cured cancer while on campus, so I know any other student can earn these scholarships too, if they take initiative to look for them.
I just wanted this to be taken into account by parents who, like mine, were proud to send their kid to an amazing school but were concerned about the OOS price tag. There are many ways to reduce the cost of attendance at this school. I hope this post provides evidence that OOS finanical aid is present at Michigan.
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UVa recently switched from EA to ED. Michigan may follow suit.
@quintessence21. Do you happen to have a link to the scholarships your talking about? Like to pass that on to my son. It appears he might of missed the due date in May.
Just like to add we also got FA for study abroad. It was very expensive and reached out to the head of the trip to ask for guidance. First the cost on the site was not the cost of the program so they estimate very high it seems. Second she said any student that wants to go study abroad we will make sure that happens. Wow… This was for a engineering study abroad. We followed the steps and to our surprise he got everything paid for except the flight to France. We just used our miles for that. He actually had like some travel money left and they said that was intentional. We are OOS. As I stated prior, once your a student there they go out of their way to take care of you. Maybe this is why so many Alumni contribute back to them?
@1917souci That article was published in January 2017, so that info has to be at least 2 to 3 years old.
This article, “U-M unveils tuition guarantee for Michigan students with need” was published in June 2017:
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-unveils-tuition-guarantee-for-michigan-students-with-need/
Issue is being addressed. The proof? If “economic diversity” were that bad at UMich, considering the new rankings formula weights this area at 13%, then the move from #27 to #25 should probably have NOT happened. This economic diversity factor in the new rankings formula has also raised the rankings of all the UC’s here in CA too.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/10/us-news-college-rankings-formula-813559