Michigan (Ross BBA Undergrad) vs NYU (Stern Undergrad)

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<p>This thread is honestly hilarious. I picked Ross over Stern. I’m a freshman who has already secured an internship in investment banking this summer (w/o family connections) - and I would’ve done the same thing at Stern. </p>

<p>There is a serious confounding error when people claim Stern is better than Ross for IB. Sternies care a lot more about finance than Ross kids. Ross students, as a whole, are interested in all facets of business, not just finance. Both schools have tremendous student bodies and opportunities. If you’re cut out for investment banking or PE or whatever else, you’ll probably land a similar job from both schools.</p>

<p>But honestly, who the hell cares about IB? It’s college; have some fun. I enjoy my Saturday mornings in the Big House. I go to school in one of the greatest college towns in the world. I don’t think Sternies can say the same.</p>

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<p>Haha @pat1120 your point is pretty similar to Harold’s from earlier. He also indicated that the kids who are cut out for IB will succeed in IB either way, Ross or Stern, and those who aren’t will just do something else lol. But yeah, campus life at Michigan >>>> NYU for the majority of people. Personally, I don’t mind either like… frat house parties vs bars, hookah lounges, nightclubs and raves… all seem like they’d be a good time haha</p>

<p>@Alexandre that would be an interesting report to see. But aren’t jobs in PE HF etc… usually attained only many years after graduate school? (Unless you had really good connections right out of college or you’re a true prodigy)… And a kid from Stern under could go to HBS but his path to PE was probably more accredited to his Harvard education and connections made there, more so than Stern undergrad haha how does all this stuff get accounted for? </p>

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<p>“Personally, I don’t mind either like… frat house parties vs bars, hookah lounges, nightclubs and raves… all seem like they’d be a good time”</p>

<p>There is more than frat parties at Michigan. I personally almost never went to frat parties. You have bars, a couple of nightclubs, house parties etc…But you are quite right, some people do not like the college atmosphere and prefer an urban experience such as NYU. To each his own. </p>

<p>Anyway dwr, you are 100% correct. PE/VC firms seldom recruit students straight out of college, although some firms hire BBAs. Blackstone hired 10 from Wharton alone last year. But that’s Wharton. Blackstone also hires undergrads from McIntire and Ross occasionally, but that is rare. I am not sure at which other universities or programs they recruit, but I assume that they recruit from Harvard, Dartmouth and Princeton as well as from Stern. One degree many employees at PE firms seem to share is an MBA from HBS. </p>

<p>That being said, if a large number of alums from an undergraduate institution end up in PE firms, it can be safe to say that the university in question opens doors to undergrads that leads to careers in PE.</p>

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<p>@Pat1120 It’s highly unusual for a freshman to secure an IB internship so congrats! As far as your point regarding social life though, NYU’s location in the greatest city in the world for culture and entertainment besides Paris lends itself to a lot more social opportunities than Ann Arbor’s sleepy college town environment. You can travel to Syracuse to see a college basketball game or attend a frat party if you want to get a little bit of the “traditional college” experience!</p>

<p>@Alexandre Do you feel like Dartmouth, Princeton, and Duke would be better options than undergraduate business schools then since they have higher grade inflation (liberal arts curriculum) and you can crack IBanking with a Sociology or Public Policy degree with less competition? It seems that once you attend a “target private school”, GPA is the primary differentiator before the interview stage so you should feel free to major in whatever subject you find the most interesting and are better suited to your natural abilities. Most of your classmates will be more interested in Law School, Medical School, and Education (TFA and Inner City Teaching Corps) than they will be in i-banking or management consulting than at Ross or Stern students who have business jobs as their end goal.</p>

<p>Also, if I miss out on getting into Ross after my Freshman Year, then I will be mad at myself for not choosing private schools where you have a chance to rebound after a bad freshman year.</p>

<p>I look forward to your lists of school representation from the banks where you are acquainted with HR professionals and the PE/HF placement results.</p>

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<p>Interesting ennisthemenace how you would bring Duke into this conversation. Hmmmmmmm</p>

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<p>“NYU’s location in the greatest city in the world for culture and entertainment besides Paris lends itself to a lot more social opportunities than Ann Arbor’s sleepy college town environment.”</p>

<p>ennisthemenace, like I said, to each his own. Most 18-22 year olds stand far more to gain from attending a university with a strong and cohesive campus community. For such students, attending a university like NYU is not optimal. Michigan is in fact arguably the best campus environment in the nation. And that “sleepy town” of Ann Arbor is almost invariably rated among the top 3 college towns in the nation. While NYC is obviously great and has much to offer, it is mainly designed for working adults and cannot make up for NYU’s campus shortcomings. </p>

<p>“You can travel to Syracuse to see a college basketball game or attend a frat party if you want to get a little bit of the “traditional college” experience!”</p>

<p>You got it in reverse. Students live on campus. They study on campus, socialize of campus and conduct most of their extra-curricular activities on campus. Since they spend most of their time on campus, it is the campus that matters more than the surrounding city/town. For the those occasions that call for a large city, Michigan students can spend a weekend in Chicago or NYC. </p>

<p>“Do you feel like Dartmouth, Princeton, and Duke would be better options than undergraduate business schools then since they have higher grade inflation (liberal arts curriculum) and you can crack IBanking with a Sociology or Public Policy degree with less competition? It seems that once you attend a “target private school”, GPA is the primary differentiator before the interview stage so you should feel free to major in whatever subject you find the most interesting and are better suited to your natural abilities. Most of your classmates will be more interested in Law School, Medical School, and Education (TFA and Inner City Teaching Corps) than they will be in i-banking or management consulting than at Ross or Stern students who have business jobs as their end goal.”</p>

<p>Princeton is remarkable. I have said as much all along. Along with Harvard and Wharton, it is one of the top 3 campuses for IBanking recruiting activity. Dartmouth and Duke are also excellent, but I would give Harvard, Princeton and Wharton the clear edge. I would even give Ross the slight edge. For one, you seriously downplay the interest in IBanking at Dartmouth and Duke. There are more students dreaming of IBanking then you realize. From what I hear, there are significantly more students interested in IBanking jobs at Duke or Dartmouth than there are at Ross, and major IBanks do not hire more students from Duke or Dartmouth than they do Ross students. The people know who attended Duke and Dartmouth certainly confirmed the high volume of students seeking jobs in IBanking. Also, Ross grade inflation is about as blatant as grade inflation at Dartmouth and Duke, so grading policy is not going to be an advantage. That being said, I think if one really prefers not to spend half of his/her time taking business classes, attending Dartmouth or Duke is a better option. At Michigan, Ross is clearly the way to go for those interested in IBanking jobs. LSA and CoE students can find jobs in IBanking, but the odds are not nearly as good. However, it should be noted that since Ross only requires 55 credits be taken at the Business school, one can theoretically double major in a liberal arts subject such as Sociology or Mathematics and graduate on time, although it will require an extra effort on the part of the student.</p>

<p>“Also, if I miss out on getting into Ross after my Freshman Year, then I will be mad at myself for not choosing private schools where you have a chance to rebound after a bad freshman year.”</p>

<p>While it is very competitive to get into Ross, students who are strong enough academically to get into a university like Duke or Dartmouth would likely be in the top 60% of Michigan’s student body, so there odds of getting into Ross are reasonably good. Still, for those interested in a career in IBanking, if I had a choice between Michigan without Ross preadmit or Duke or Dartmouth, I would recommend Duke or Dartmouth as getting into Ross is not certain.</p>

<p>“I look forward to your lists of school representation from the banks where you are acquainted with HR professionals and the PE/HF placement results.”</p>

<p>Unfortunately, I cannot divulge the bank in question or provide exact numbers. I did so a few years ago and I regretted it! But I will say it is one of the top 3 IBanks. Last year, Ross was among the top 3 universities/programs at placing undergrads in IBanking jobs at that Bank. And last year was not an outlier. Michigan has a history of placing alums in that bank. Currently, Michigan alums are among the 5 best represented at that bank.</p>

<p>I will share the results of the PE report I am working on shortly. It should be ready come Monday or Tuesday.</p>

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<p>This is just too much.</p>

<p>After reading Alexandre’s posts for several years and along the way picking up bits and pieces about his background and accomplishments, I would just mention that this is one person who values Alexandre’s thoughts and opinions very highly.</p>

<p>Alexandre is someone who should be viewed as a very knowledgeable and helpful resource.</p>

<p>Everyone has to make their own decisions about college, but Alexandre is a wealth of well thought out, well reasoned, analytical information and should be relied upon as such.</p>

<p>(BTW, I don’t know Alexandre and I didn’t attend either Stern or Michigan.)</p>

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<p>I agree with dadinator. Alexandre is a wealth of knowledge and many people (I for one), have learned a lot from his advice, on a host of issues. Like dadinator, I have no connection to Michigan or NYU. </p>

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<p>This whole thread has gotten ridiculous, but I can’t help pointing out to ennisthemenace that Syracuse is a good 6 hour road trip from NYC. Through a lot of snow in the winter. Not exactly something you’d do to go to a frat party.</p>

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<p>My friends tell me Ross kids get made fun on Wall St for being “public school dummies.” Now of course it’s just some office banter, but takeaway is that people are going to give you crap for going to a huge public school where the bottom half is a little suspect. This is a fact.</p>

<p>Ross is a great in-state value and also provides a decent backup for NY/NJ/PA students who can’t get into Stern or Wharton. Everybody knows this.</p>

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<p>And the students who make it into Investment Banking from Ross in the first place have to be the top 5-10% of their class, and they are still the last to get promoted into higher positions in companies if they had no connections, and they are constantly shat on for being stupid because they truly are the worst of the best. </p>

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<p>How are people still discussing this? @Jtwis55 's post can be used as a summary of the last 7 pages here lol</p>

<p>@rjkofnovi, more posts don’t make you any more informed. It just says you spend way too much time on college confidential. Sorry if high school kids actually have better things to do than post 8000 things on a website. Not that many people spend their lives on cc lol </p>

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<p>Yup. RJKnovi.</p>

<p>It’s crystal clear. Alexandre has clearly touched a nerve. </p>

<p>( as an aside- I was unaware that UChicago had an undergrad business school? Jtwis? )</p>

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<p>And do you really think that NYU students are really that much different? Look at their admissions statistics for GPA and test scores. NYU is a private school, yet it’s still as large as many state universities. Both Michigan and NYU had acceptance rates of 37% and 35% in 2012 respectively. Given that Michigan has a larger incoming class size per year, that would make it slightly better. Michigan’s 4 year graduation rate is 75% while NYU has 79%, however Michigan has a 6 year graduate rate of 90% while NYU is 85%. Michigan has higher ranked departments (grad and undergrad) than NYU.</p>

<p>So by mocking Michigan, you’re really not doing NYU any favors because they are undeniably in the same tier. </p>

<p>Anyways, I think this thread goes to show how pathetic financial/banking/consulting practices can be.</p>

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<p>“Good luck at Stern, kiddos. You’ll NEED to do well to pay back the loans.”</p>

<p>Out of state Michigan v Stern is very comparable. If you’re not going to invest in your education, what is worthy of investment? I mean seriously. It’s the most important decision we’ll ever make. Also why do you think private schools can get away with charging so much for the past several decades? Because they deliver a product people want and pay for. The market has spoken and the product is worthy of the cost.</p>

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<p>@Jtwis55 Have you visited NYU Stern? Before you write it off saying it has no campus, community - you should really try to visit the school, talk to Stern students & do a little more research.</p>

<p>I was afraid of some of the same things you mentioned before I came to Stern but had I visited and done more research I would’ve realized how awesome it is and how strong of a bond you are making with your friends and peers b/c constantly exploring the city with them. NYU integrates itself really well into the city and at no point at my time at NYU did i feel like there was no community. Granted you have to be willing go to events when they occur and not just sit in your room. </p>

<p>Students Organizations are always throwing events at clubs, bars, lounges throughout the city. You get to travel so much (another way you get really close with your peers) - I will have gone abroad 4-5+ times during my time here. Easy for companies, alumni, and people you hear on the news to come and do presentations and they are always in and out. And honestly I’m always just amazed by my peers as well - they are some of the smartest, most socially well-adjusted people i have ever met. The whole no campus/no community thing is way blown out of proportion. If you have any questions feel free to ask me.</p>

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<p>@ForeverAlone I never said Nyu is good. I don’t think either school is that good. My point was just that Alexandre is exaggerating the “magnificence” of Michigan and the schools within it, and its not as good as he depicts it to be, but if you went there I’m sure you would have a different opinion, but everyone has school pride and bias… Thank your for proving that michigan sucks though lol </p>

<p>@qwertyzxc no I haven’t but I will. When did you graduate? </p>

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<p>Obviously people from Michigan want to claim they’re good lol and the only reason people are sticking up for it in this thread is because this thread is in the “University of Michigan” section. Have this post in any other part of CC and Michigan will get trashed so hard. </p>

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<p>I’ve never been impressed by the average Ross kid here. But both Ross and the Stern student bodies are probably roughly equal and same goes for what they learn. Still very concerning that Stern does not print careercenter statistics. Why is that?</p>

<p>Really the only reason why the average Sternie will do better than the average Ross kid is being located in NYC.
Not because of academic prowess or superior students. Put Princeton away from from the coast, and you still have a powerhouse. Take NYU away from NYC, name it something different and you pretty much have Michigan.</p>