<p>My daughter was accepted at both universities. We live in Ann Arbor and know that UM is a tremendous school. I am a UM alum with two degrees from UM. However, we also know that Tulane is also respected. Now how does one choose? Well, the decision has not been made yet, but we are leaning toward Tulane. Why? Obviously because UM is our backyard and not a new experience. But also because it is so large, very impersonal, and sorry to say, a tad arrogant, which is evident by these posts. Sorry folks. Its true. Plus, undergraduate degrees, from each university, are essentially the same based on reputation.</p>
<p>People on CC are simply too willing to label others as “arrogant.” What I find truly astounding here is the sudden label of an entire university. The fact of the matter is, some schools are better than others. Michigan is an elite university and thus, many universities are simply not as good. Such is life. I have no doubt Tulane is a fine university that will prepare its students for the working world. However, by and large, Michigan is stronger. Be it rankings, overall reputation, instructional quality, etc. Michigan will come out on top. This doesn’t mean Tulane is a weak institution. But labeling someone as arrogant because they say something that upsets you? Does that sound right? </p>
<p>As for this constant accusation that Michigan is impersonal, I guess I don’t quite understand. Intro classes everywhere will be large. This isn’t unique to UMich. People like to conjure up images of lines stretching down the halls for office hours when this is simply a joke. I meet with both of my Arabic profs. once, maybe twice a week, every week. I see my poli. sci.prof. every week as well. I get one v. one instruction with world-respected profs. on a weekly basis. Sound impersonal? I have met with profs. whose classes I don’t even have, including a prof. in the law school (for research I’m conducting). The moral of the story is, if you need help/want that extra one v. one component, go out and get it. Professors here LOVE, LOVE to talk to students about their classes – it’s their passion. But if you expect them to hunt you down to help you, then you don’t belong at a top school like Michigan.</p>
<p>^^^That’s right cweber101. All smaller private schools are just as prestigious as a large “impersonal” state school and a degree from either is essentially the same. This is a common cry I read over and over again on CC. Michigan partisans should just be polite and say that their school is overrated and not worthy of attending, otherwise we will be labled “arrogant.”</p>
<p>Very well said Hattricky9! I completely concur.</p>
<p>Ok, then. I guess you told me. And to be truthful, I am extremely proud that my daughter was accepted to both schools.</p>
<p>So I am going to creep you out here and say that I was literally in the SAME BOAT as you. I was deciding between Tulane and Michigan last year, top 2 choices, and I play club volleyball, currently at Michigan and for 6 years in the past. Visit both campuses and decide what you like best about them. I am going to assume you got some money from Tulane if you got into Michigan as I did, and that was a deciding factor, but at the end of the day I really felt at home at Michigan. The campus, pride, and athletics here are unrivaled. The warm weather at Tulane would be wonderful though. Again, despite what these people are saying you will do fine at both schools. Yes, Michigan is ranked better and has more resources, but it is truly about the experience that you get out of college and how much you learn.</p>
<p>By the way, Tulane has a coed vball team that barely practices, and we have a guys and girls team that plays constantly and is well organized. Our girls were ranked 4th in the nation this year, and we just got done at nationals and were in the final 16 teams in the nation, which means that the guys are on the rise.</p>
<p>If you want to reach me about why I chose Michigan, or club volleyball you can reach me at <a href=“mailto:mattpund@umich.edu”>mattpund@umich.edu</a></p>
<p>I hope my post helped. Btw if you’re a guy I will be recruiting you to play next year, just a heads up.</p>
<p>I am from Chicago too.</p>
<p>The accusations of arrogance are a bit out of line.</p>
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<p>Although it may not seem like a relevant comparison on the surface, bearcats’ statement holds weight. Investment banks only come on campus to recruit at the best schools in the country, due to the fact that IBs can take their pick of whomever they want since a banking analyst position is arguably one of the most sought after entry-level positions by college students. No, their evaluation of “best” isn’t perfect, but it’s pretty accurate.</p>
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<p>I can all but guarantee you that Goldman and those other couple big banks do not go to Tulane to recruit for front office positions/high finance (or if they do, the spots they are allowed to give out to Tulane students are much more limited than at targets such as UM). Tulane is not a target school and is thus not viewed as a top school by firms that recruit for highly sought after positions.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.freeman.tulane.edu/cmc/docs/BSM_2009_Employment_Profile.pdf[/url]”>http://www.freeman.tulane.edu/cmc/docs/BSM_2009_Employment_Profile.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Again, Goldman DOES hire at Tulane. I was hired by MS out of Tulane about ten years ago during an on campus interview series. GS was also there. </p>
<p>The reality is Tulane is much smaller (as well as farther away) so it’s going to be less of a target school but those of you that think bulge bracket firms don’t recruit there are ill-informed. </p>
<p>I’ll agree that Michigan is MORE of a target school for various reasons but the idea that I-banks restrict the number of jobs they are allowed to give out to students of various schools is laughable. If they are taking the time to fly out to a school, believe me, they will hire without restrictions. Obviously the positions are self restricting and thus it’s up to the students to do well on their case interviews but they DO go down to Tulane.</p>
<p>Excuse me for positing it as I did. Although banks do not have hard guidelines, when interviewers go to a lower target (i.e. Georgetown) they have a subconscious bias in their head against taking as many kids as they did at Harvard.</p>
<p>Exactly for which positions do they recruit at Tulane?</p>
<p>I’ve never worked in an HR capacity but I imagine if I’ve flown somewhere to interview prospective analysts, I’m already approving of the school and am more concerned with how the individual applicant comes across. I’m not consciously or unconsciously concerned with where I am when I’m talking to someone. I might be wrong there but since I’m hiring the applicant and not their school, I want THEM to come across great to my boss if hired and not what SCHOOl they attend. Just my opinion and in the interest of full disclosure I’ve only conducted interviews for a boutique firm so I’m speculating here.</p>
<p>There was nothing wrong with your post, it was just ill-informed. UM IS more of a target school. My point was simply that since they do come down to New Orleans, there’s no reason for a student to worry about attending Tulane. Going to Michigan or Tulane or Harvard isn’t going to get you a job. Doing well in an interview will. </p>
<p>As to your question for what positions specifically, it’s been a while, but I think they were the standard rotational programs as well as i-banking analyst jobs. Ironically they weren’t looking for traders which is what TU has become known for the last decade.</p>
<p>I will preface this my admitting I am only a college junior, but I have attended information sessions, final round interviews, and networked with many finance professionals. I did not learn the alma mater of each person I have met, but I honestly cannot recall meeting/speaking with over the phone anyone on the Street who is a Tulane alum. I’m sure they’re out there, but even the true proportion likely illustrates that it is much harder to break into Wall Street coming from Tulane than from Michigan and, similarly, Michigan than Harvard.</p>
<p>“Going to Michigan or Tulane or Harvard isn’t going to get you a job. Doing well in an interview will.” </p>
<p>Benetode, doing well interviews is obviously a must…but one must first get the interview. It is easier for a Harvard student to get an interview with a major IBank than it is for a Michigan student…and it is easier for a Michigan student to get an interview with a major IBank than it is for a Tulane student.</p>
<p>This said, the OP wants to major in History, so he is probably more likely to be pre-law than he is to be interested in a career in Finance.</p>
<p>Again it’s hard to say without controlling for size, ect. I, like you, can only speak from my experience as well as my knowledge of my classmates and where they were originally hired (as well as where they are now.) It might be more difficult to break into Wall Street coming from TU than UM, but it’s very possible coming from TU. </p>
<p>Actually I would argue Michigan’s greatest strength in finance over Tulane is the size and fervor of its alumni. Tulane leaving the SEC has hurt them in spades (although Georgia Tech has done well.) I’d rather interview a kid that can talk football than anything else. It’s a built in ice-breaker and makes my job easier.</p>
<p>Alex, I stated that earlier about the relevancy but it was brought up so I addressed it again. I’ll repeat myself here too with regards to the UM vs TU issue and landing an interview. If MS and GS are coming to Tulane then that’s it. The remaining concern is doing well IN the interview.</p>
<p>If the same firms/companies are flying out to both schools then one school’s more impressive ranking ect doesn’t really matter to that individual student. They have the same opportunity to compete for that position. That was my sole point.</p>
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<p>The comments on this thread do not favor Tulane either: <a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/rice-v-tulane-v-u-of-texas[/url]”>http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/rice-v-tulane-v-u-of-texas</a></p>
<p>This thread is a good one: [Is</a> it worth transferring? | WallStreetOasis.com](<a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/is-it-worth-transferring]Is”>Worth it to transfer? (current freshman) | Wall Street Oasis)</p>
<p>The OP is asking whether he should transfer from Tulane. A lot of people are screaming at him to transfer. A few of the more thoughtful people take your position, Benetode, in that it only matters how you do in the interview. However, each of those people admit that Tulane is not heavily recruited. Therefore, it is much harder to get the interview in the first place (which is clearly very important, as Alexandre pointed out).</p>
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<p>I’m not sure I’d cite whatever that website is as a source. lol. Anyways, I think you’re both missing my point. If GS for instance rarely or never came to Tulane, then yes, it would be much more difficult to get an interview and thus get hired. BUT, since GS does go down there, it’s not as though GS will refuse to interview and hire students. If that were the case GS wouldn’t have traveled there in the first place. </p>
<p>Tulane isn’t a huge target school, for one, because it isn’t a huge school. But firms ARE going down there and so they ARE considering TU students for hire. As a student, that would be my only concern (whether or not they are considering students at my school for hire.) I see what you all are trying to say but I think you missing my point. I don’t disagree with you about which school is more heavily recruited but instead argue that if firms are interviewing at TU, UT, where ever, then that school IS being recruited by those firms. To say it’s harder to get an interview with firm A at school 2 than at school 1 despite the fact that firm A travels to both school 1 and 2 to interview doesn’t make a lot of sense. The firm is ALREADY on campus to conduct interviews.</p>
<p>Dude, front office vs back office. I know for a fact that GS hired 0 tulane kid for front office position last year. There were 3 kids in ops and 2 kid in finance. Its clear GS is there for backoffice positions</p>