<p>On CC, I read a lot that minorities have amazing acceptance rates.
I was just looking at princeton's class prospectus and it says the following:
10% of whites admitted
13% of minorities.
Given that asian-americans get admitted at rates even less than whites, but I don't see the difference being too great.</p>
<p>citation needed</p>
<p><a href="http://www.princeton.edu/pr/facts/profile/06/08.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.princeton.edu/pr/facts/profile/06/08.htm</a>
It's for the class of 2010, but still valid.</p>
<p>I've heard Princeton is less diverse than other ivies, though. I have no first-hand experience with this, but I heard it from one guy who got into Harvard and Princeton and visited both campuses.</p>
<p>Princeton actually has a lower percentage of Asians, but a comparable, if not higher, percentage of blacks and hispanics (compared to Harvard). So it all just about balances out.</p>
<p>I visited Princeton as well, and I attend Harvard and I think the minority populations may just seem smaller because Princeton has a smaller student body than a lot of other ivies.</p>
<p>1MX
A few flaws in your agenda </p>
<p>1) Princeton has one of the highest percentage of caucasians in the ivy-league and thus isn't a full representation of the political correct nonsense that goes on in admissions </p>
<p>2) Asians and indians are a HUGE part of the applicant pool. The reason that Princeton groups them in the "Minority" category for statistical brochures is so that we can all pretend that affirmative action doesn't use extreme racial-discrimination agaisnt whites, asians and indians. </p>
<p>IMX's statistics don't fool me. The reason why you can't find admit percentages for individual minority groups is because colleges are afraid to release them. I would be shocked if the princeton URM admit rate was under 30% (including athletes!)</p>
<p>exactly and the asian admit rate is probably way lower than the overall admit rate...like 5%?</p>
<p>actually, yeah, bindercheck is right. Those percentages you provided, 1MX, don't take into account how many of each minority applied. If a bunch of Asians applied and were accepted at a super low percentage, but a smaller number of URMs applied and were accepted at a super high percentage, then we'd end up with a percentage of minority acceptance that is not really reflective of the acceptance rate of URMs.</p>
<p>The minority number includes Asians!! URMs and ORMs=minorities.</p>
<p>Why does he have to have an agenda? It seems like people see the truth, but they don't like it. So in turn, they try to disprove it or disbelieve it.</p>
<p>Guys, still not THAT big of a deal. There is no statistical evidence proving that being a minority gives you the supposed 100 extra points on the SAT or anything.</p>
<p>^^^ umm, the "rumor", as you imply, was actually a study done by professors at princeton (or another similarly prestigious university)</p>
<p>and they at princeton don't make up numbers for fun...</p>
<p>IMX, you are looking in the percent of APPLICANTS column, not the % of enrolled students, which lists 37% (all minorities combined, which yes, is not broken out by minority group). 37-38% is about the standard for minority enrollment (all combined) at the Elites, plural.</p>
<p>firefox-</p>
<p>That study is inherently flawed. There was a better one done by Harvard that was based on the percentage of students admitted in each SAT score bracket and found that your chance of admission increased if you were a member of several special categories: legacy, athlete, or urm.</p>
<p>The Princeton one simply concluded that the average URM admitted had lower test scores than his/her white/asian counterparts, which is isn't hearth shattering knowledge. The Princeton study was also based solely on SAT scores and did not, like the Harvard study, take into account GPA or other factors, I believe.</p>
<p>That said, being an athlete gives you a much bigger boost than being a urm. So go hate on them.</p>
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firefox-</p>
<p>That study is inherently flawed. There was a better one done by Harvard that was based on the percentage of students admitted in each SAT score bracket and found that your chance of admission increased if you were a member of several special categories: legacy, athlete, or urm.</p>
<p>The Princeton one simply concluded that the average URM admitted had lower test scores than his/her white/asian counterparts, which is isn't hearth shattering knowledge. The Princeton study was also based solely on SAT scores and did not, like the Harvard study, take into account GPA or other factors, I believe.</p>
<p>That said, being an athlete gives you a much bigger boost than being a urm. So go hate on them.
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<p>I disagree that Espenshade and Chung’s study is inherently flawed, and I request the name of the “better [paper] done by Harvard.”</p>
<p>This is the first time I have heard of such a paper. Previously, the standard response from racial preference defenders to users citing from Espenshade and Chung was Kidder’s law school paper.</p>
<p>There is no where on that chart that tells the percentage of whites admitted. That 10% is the overall admittance rate. So I do not see your point.</p>
<p>ses, you need citations from authorities to claim the study to be flawed</p>
<p>state universities arent as focused on this racism stuff but private ones are pretty hardcore about it. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot</p>
<p>asian americans arent considered minorities in college. URM means under represented minority, which basically includes black, hispanic, and native american, because their population in colleges is under represented compared to whites and asians. Yes asians are minorities, but they are not under represented in education thus not being part of URM.</p>
<p>"There is no where on that chart that tells the percentage of whites admitted. That 10% is the overall admittance rate. So I do not see your point."</p>
<p>They give you the minority percentage which is 13% and the overall percentage which is 10%. The overall percentage is comprised of the percentage of whites and minorities and since the percentage of minorities is greater than the overall percentage, that means that the percentage of whites must be lower to depress the overall percentage admitted, which means that the percentage of whites is even lower than the 10% the OP stated. Also, like many other people mentioned, the minority percentage also includes the percentage of Asians, which is highly likely to be lower than the overall percentage, so then in order to raise the minority percentage to 13%, the percent of minorities admitted besides Asians must be even higher than 13%.</p>
<p>Okay, so, from admissions stats of 2006 (<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/pr/facts/profile/06/08.htm):%5B/url%5D">http://www.princeton.edu/pr/facts/profile/06/08.htm):</a></p>
<p>Minority students (36% of applicants): 13%
Alumni students (3% of applicants): 39%
International students (16% of applicants): 6%
White (non-alumni) students (100-36-3-16 = 45% of applicants): x%
Total students: 10%</p>
<p>(13<em>.36) + (39</em>.03) + (6<em>.16) + (x</em>.45) = 10
4.68 + 1.17 + .96 + (x<em>.45) = 10
6.81 + (x</em>.45) = 10
x*.45 = 3.19
x = 7.098</p>
<p>Admissions rate for non alumni whites = 7.1%</p>