** MIT International Applicants' Thread 2017 **

<p>Wow, we all seem to love these little 3D printers ! I’m building one (it’s made from printed part I printed at a fablab) since my school does not have the money to buy one.
I plan to sell plastics parts to classmates who need them for their own projects (we all have to present a project at the end of the year) :D</p>

<p>I think the concurrence will be rough this year. That’s sad they have only 100 spots for so many applicants :O</p>

<p>What other universities are you guys applying to ?</p>

<p>Ahh cool!! I’m in the process of building a reprap 3D printer but I’ve been using a HP designjet 3D Printer at my school.</p>

<p>I’ve applied to (in order of preference)</p>

<p>MIT
Cambridge (get my decision tomorrow!!)
Stanford
Harvard
Imperial (accepted)
UCL (accepted)</p>

<p>Out of interest, hennebou, what design software do you use to create the STLs for the 3D Printer? I use SolidWorks :)</p>

<p>I’ve applied to (also in order of preference) :
MIT
Stanford
Carnegie Mellon
Cornell
U Toronto
Northwestern
Yale
U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
U of Waterloo
U of British Columbia
McGill </p>

<p>Also applying to some school around here, but that will come in march.</p>

<p>I use Solidworks too for my 3D printer ! I’m taking an “Engineering Sciences” class (basically, we should be studying software engineering, electrical engineering and mechanical engineering, but my teacher is only a mechanical engineer [usually, you get 3 teachers and they are all specialists in one field, but my school is not so rich], so we do mostly mechanical engineering…) , so Solidworks was my first (and only) experience with a CAD software (we use it because you can run simulation on mechanical parts and stuff)</p>

<p>But, man ! These HP printers costs a fortune ! Are you in some kind of private school ? I’m in a public school, and even if the school makes a lot of money (my school is actually in ~5 movies and about as much TV series), they have to share every penny with the others schools, so we don’t end with much… And when there’s some money left, they just give us 1 more hour of philosophy class every week (main argument : “Last year they had 5 hours a week of philosophy ! This new law who says you should only have 4 hours is outrageous ! You’re so stupids anyways, you should have 10 hours !”), which is truly stupid. We should get new computers instead. (Some school computers are 10 years old, still running Windows 98 !! And we’re supposed to be one of the best High Schools of the country… Come on !)</p>

<p>I think my story which I played a gamble on HPSM schools may be appealing. I’m planning to major econ/politics so I have no ECs related to math/sci except some regionals math contest medals and very rigorous math courses. The story I appealed was my informal suspension from my high school. It’s a long story. In short, I was invited into musical to play trombone section in the melody, one day before the performance. I accepted the favor and joined. However, some student musical directors didn’t know this. She was outraged when she saw me using actor’s changing room. My name wasn’t on her list becuz I joined one day before. She told me to leave and I explained my situation. She was persistent and ignorant in that matter and started insulting me with swears and profanation. Few of her directors joined in. I had to leave the musical to avoid any physical harassment. Next day, I saw the vice Principal, explained the circumstance, and demanded either an apology or consequence. The student director was the school prefect and had close relationship with the school. Vice principal came up with utilitarian ideas that if she were to give consequence according to the school manual I’ve brought to her, there will be tens of students getting suspension, so it is better to leave this one. She tried to suspend another student director who humiliated me relatively less to the main one, but I persisted in this matter. I gathered teachers’ supports to demand fair consequence from the school. The vice principal, then ignored all the procedure of suspension and just informally suspended me with her own authority. Although most of my teachers sympathized with me, there was no judicial institution or person I could demand second judgment. ~~ Then I wrote what I have gone through, overcame and learned. I also noted that I’m very inclined to voice fore those who are denied fairing in the community. I’m not sure if MIT wants such ‘liberal (?)’ and active student though. Anyway that ridiculous suspension nearly lasted 2 months until I had to promise the school that I won’t discuss this issue with anyone else ever. That’s why my name is hateSMUS. I created this account while I was suspended because I had to write AP tests and SAT during suspension.
I wanted to say I got all 5s in the AP tests and 2240 in first and only SAT sitting despite depression and frustration from the suspension, but I didn’t as I worried providing an excuse could be seen negatively. However, my GPA dropped significantly because I failed to write AP mock exams.</p>

<p>sorry for the poor grammar and sentences. Just came back to Canada from Korea and suffering from jetlag. It’s also hard to type well with an ipad. Anyway there’s my hope for MIT.</p>

<p>How many “not-so-serious” applicants do you think they are among the international pool ?
I mean the guys who scored 500 on the SATIIs , 60 at the TOEFL, with bad grades, no ECs, who wrote their essays in 10mins or copy pasted essays they wrote for other schools… (The one who will get immediately rejected)
I’m sure they are some. The question is : Is the number significant ?
There should be more international applicants on this forum, so we could do some stats, like avg SAT/ACT/SATII scores… (So we can have some fun while we wait for Pi day)</p>

<p>I’m sure there are at least SOME. I know another Korean dude who gets below 1900 SAT and Cs in his academic performances but yet claiming his dream school is MIT. But I don’t it will make our admission significantly competitive as there are probably lot of applicants who are much more qualified than us in scores. So with our decent scores 2200+ SAT and 3.8+GPA, let’s hope our essays convince the adcoms</p>

<p>Wow man… I don’t think they’re gonna like this ! You seem a bit arrogant when you explain this. You’re probably not; and I won’t judge you without knowing you, but what seems to me is that you should just have dropped the case (concerning the musical thing). Some things aren’t that important, you know ?
If that musical director didn’t want you to play, then just ask politely that you were told they needed one more guy, and that if they don’t anymore, you would leave.
Moreover, you seem like you really wanted to get your revenge on that guy, - I understand why-, but that’s not a good thing to do, neither is it to talk about it in a college app (unless you had too, I guess maybe in the “school suspension” section ?)</p>

<p>EDIT : I’m talking about your explanation above on why you should be admitted MIT</p>

<p>Of course in the essay, I wrote it in a very moderate fashion. I do want vengeance through my success. I’m not arrogant about the musical. It was really ridiculous to hear such profanation and humiliation just because I used the assigned changeroom after I did a favor to them. It is very important part of me as it changed my perspective into whole different one. I just couldn’t go into detail because I’m very tired from the jetlag and I used my short sentence like a fact which may have sounded arrogant. But the whole school system and this incidence created quite a bit of criticisms among some teachers and my peer students toward the school authority. What I really pursued was justice. I could have just dropped the case and forget about humiliation and profanation I got, but this thing would occur again at some point if not corrected now. I was pursuing my ideal justness and struck my a reality named suspension. I have no regret in my action and feel proud that I did what I believed in.</p>

<p>I carry lot of anger within me as you probably can assume from my name and I am often stuck in victim psychology because school’s persecution still lasts - ex I couldn’t take P.E or AP chemistry because the sister of the graduated student director is in the class. School authority stated I may pose a threat to her. But I’ve been putting efforts to overcome such bursting angers and victim psychology. All I’m seeking is my own success, and then I could prove it to my school. In the essay, my main theme wasn’t about vengeance at all. It was about what I learned, pervasive injustice within democratic societies, and sort of duty I gained, to speak for those who are denied fair hearing.</p>

<p>Anyways, about the not-so-serious applicants, do you think we could make it a number ?
2% ? 5% ?
I know for sure someone else applying from France, he is brilliant but has no ECs and stuff. The typical boring math nerd.
Since they’re building a class, and not numbers, he’s probably gonna be rejected (and I’m sure they are better applicants worldwide, I mean with better numbers, so his scores are not so competitive in the intl pool).</p>

<p>Also, do you think they have some sort of quotas per country or region ? If they have, they’re probably not fix (it would show in the stats if they had every year the same percentage of people from a same region). But I can’t imagine them build a class with 50% indians, 30% chinese and 10% canadians neither (the numbers are random, but these are probably the countries with the more applicants in the intl pool).</p>

<p>We should try to calculate an average “percentage-per-region” with the available stats (it would be easier to get an idea of our chances : are you competing against 4500 people for 150 places or with the 300 applicants from your country for 30 places ?).
We should make this with the more stats we find, to try to get it accurate (the power of large numbers !)</p>

<p>That way, we would know our chance of being admitted (at least, statistically), without entering the random world of the "chance me’ threads (as even if your stats are perfect… It all depends on the other applicants) : We would do it scientifically !</p>

<p>Ok than, I hope you wrote it well so it sounds good ! You should have your chance then.</p>

<p>I trust MIT adcom’s claim that they look at individual rather than nationalities when assessing international applicants. The largest number from each nationality is Chinese>S.Korea> India for undergraduate top 3 countries. I think it isn’t about quota for each country but about how talented or fit each individuals are. Because there are much more applicants from China, S.Korea and India than other places, the likelihood of having more talent students among them would increase.</p>

<p>Assuming that this likelihood of having talented people among a region, like Europe, is the same as among Indians or chinese, could’t we get probabilties out of that ?</p>

<p>I know they’re not looking for nationalities, but obviously they’re not going to admit only asians or -insert region name here- even if they are the most talented, because you can’t really compare everyone one to each other. They probably have special admission officers for each region (I’d say : one for Europe, one for China, one for Korea, one for India and one for the rest of the world), as I was told most Ivies do (which could be easily explainable : The guy who’s in charge of the Indian applicants probably knows their system and way of thinking better then he knows the french system, etc.)
All these admissions officers would make a list, let’s say with 50 people on each list. Each gets to pick ~20 among their pool who will get admitted for sure. Then they discuss about the others on the list, to decide who they’re going to accept. At this stage, you’re probably right, asians should get a better chance of getting admitted, since they are more applicants from Asia so they are more likely to be talented.
It would give us a talented and diverse class as a result, and would still be fair concerning the nationalities.</p>

<p>It’s funny, but I’m I feel like I know you guys, -the one who got unfairly suspended and the english dude with his CanSat team and his invention-, from “chance me” threads.</p>

<p>Hahaha same! How awesome would it be if we all got into MIT?! i think people on CC are better positioned for college admission as they’ve taken the initiative to use such a tool!</p>

<p>mm I’ve never posted my story on chance me thread. I found MIT admits 0 international student for some countries and accepts one or two from others. I think this tells me that MIT doesn’t admit applicant if adcoms decide one is not a good fit, even if there is no other competitor from the same country</p>

<p>Oh and this thread has officially got more views than the ‘RD discussion’!! Internationals FTW.</p>