MIT vs. Yale (Yale's PoV)

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>I applied to both Yale and MIT RA and I just found out that I got into MIT over this weekend. After reading this article...</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=147211&highlight=Yale+compared+MIT%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=147211&highlight=Yale+compared+MIT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>...which dealt with a comparison between the engineering aspects of MIT and Yale, I began wondering about the other factors that contribute to a school's environment... like (1) People (2) Social Life (3) Work levels (4) Professors (5) General Student Life (6) New Haven vs. Boston etc...</p>

<p>I visited both campuses and they both seemed pretty nice. Hypothetically if you were in my "possible" future position -- with identical offers from MIT and Yale.. which one would you chose?</p>

<p>An identical post is located in MIT's Forum with MIT's Point of View:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=159678%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=159678&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>First of all, put this into perspective...what a great choice to have to make between MIT and Yale. You really can't make a bad choice. Which one you pick though really should depend on what you want to study...i.e., if youre leaning engineering then definitely pick MIT. As for me, I would go for Yale. I visited MIT and considered applying there at one point, but I realized that the atmoshpere really just wasn't what I was looking for. I would be much happier at Yale, but that could just be me...I guess that's about as unbiased opinion as I can give for a Yale board.</p>

<p>Wow, you really work for Yale admission board?</p>

<p>:-/ </p>

<p>"I guess that's about as unbiased opinion as I can give for a Yale board."</p>

<p>Let me rephrase...</p>

<p>I guess that about as unbiased opinion as I can give for someone who is posting a message on a Yale forum, indicating that I have more interest in Yale than in MIT.</p>

<p>130n - I was actually in this position two years ago (... er, choosing between equal offers from MIT and Yale, I mean...), and if you do get the chance to choose between these schools, I really think you can't go wrong. They're both fantastic schools, each with something different to offer. I chose Yale, but know that you're your own person & what's right for me might not be right for you :-)</p>

<p>Anyway, here were my thoughts on the matter:</p>

<p>1) as much of a science geek as I am, I love love LOVE my humanities classes. A friend who did end up going to MIT has said that this is one thing she doesn't like - although she can cross-register with harvard, schedules don't really line up and she finds it difficult to take a lot of the non-science classes that she wants to take. If you're not big on the humanities, you should have no problem with the way MIT works things, but if you're like me and want to major in science while still getting exposure to as much of everything else as possible, you might want to consider other schools. Like Yale. yes.</p>

<p>2) On the other hand, don't let Yale's reputation of not being so great in the sciences turn you away. Yes, I've had a not-so-great prof or two (and one or two downright crappy TAs) but I've generally had pretty good experiences with the science departments here, both teachers and students. I've found the profs to be really accessible, and, in my opinion at least, there's a lot of interesting research going on here, and most of the time all you have to do to get involved in it is to ask. We don't have anything formal like MIT's UROP, but if research is something you're interested in, you WILL be able to find a place for it here, even if it takes a tiny bit more work on your part than it might at MIT. Esp. check out Prospectives on Science - easy class with exposure to a lot of different research areas, and then guaranteed (I think) funding for summer after freshman year. The science students tend to be pretty cool too; while a LOT of them are pre-med (lol, as someone who plans to go to grad school in chemistry, I'm one of the exceptions!) people aren't insanely competitive. Sure, we all like good grades, but it's usually not hard to find really smart people willing to do group study sessions, tutoring, all that good stuff.</p>

<p>3) atmosphere - I loved MIT when I visited, but once I was accepted at both schools and started looking into them, I fell for the atmosphere at Yale... especially the residential college system. I don't really know how dorms work at MIT, so I can't make much of a comparison, but the sense of "family" and community that comes out of the college system is something I absolutely love. It especially makes the transition to a new social environment freshman year a lot easier.</p>

<p>Anyway, that's all that's popped into my head at the moment. I'd MIT is definitely a much more intense place for the sciences, but (maybe this is a misperception) I've come to feel it's a little lopsided, and it's not for everyone. If, like I was, you're looking for more of a balance between science & everything else, Yale's probably a good place to be. (... haha, or Stanford, but then again, I live near there and never would have seriously considered going...)</p>

<p>I had the exact same choice last year. I almost went to MIT, but then went to Yale and I second what other people have said. Then again, I wasn't really into engineering, more into bio, so if you are dead set on engineering or physics, I'd go with MIT probably. Socially, I'd rather go to Yale - I feel like MIT is so much work, that you wouldn't have much time for social stuff...or if you did, you would never sleep. If you want a more detailed reply, PM me.</p>

<p>wow...i havent been on or posted to cc in months. and tonight i decided to randomly come on and look...</p>

<p>i didnt get into mit, but i got into princeton and stanford. im now a cs major (i think...only a freshman) at yale. (i would not have gone to mit if i had gotten in. i would even [!] have gone to princeton over mit.)</p>

<p>it's a very tough choice, mit vs. yale. i think that you need to take what everybody says with a grain of salt. at mit, many of the people are hardcore engineering types, obviously, so they might answer your question as if they were doing a math problem. the "logical" thing to do, if you consider college a place to learn a discipline and work hard and just learn it (okay im oversimplifying here, but you get the idea), is go to the school with the best department in what you're studying. so i was crazy, according to this mindset, to choose stanford over yale, and you would be crazy to go to mit over yale. it's a no-brainer, they say.</p>

<p>(mit people, please dont hate me...all of this is obviously just a generalization, and i realize many of you dont fit this. but overall, more of yale is about social/cultural/non-science issues, while more of mit is about science and math and engineering things. i realize we have both at both schools.)</p>

<p>but the fuzziness and non-mathematical (god im so not eloquent this late at night) thinking of people who choose yale will give you different ideas...</p>

<p>yes, mit has diversity, etc., but that is diversity on paper. people at mit are united by a focus on science and math, and that informs them...just like most yalies are united by a focus on the humanities. HOWEVER--the thing about being a math/sci major at yale is that you are a math/sci major here, but you get to interact with people who arent engineers--so the humanities people influence your thinking about social things and everything not to do with science, places where math/sci people often can't operate (or try to apply their math/logic, which often doesn't work, because people aren't governed by logic in many places--thinking logically about things often doesn't work. but sometimes it's really cool. see music theory, economics, etc.) so socially, you get the people who are most apt socially. (think: future presidents, lawyers, activists, policy makers, heads of business.) and you're surrounded by them, and you learn how to deal with people very well, because you have all these people around you who are into people. (yes, there are a few recluses.)</p>

<p>it's so late and this is such bad writing and unclear prose that i'm thinking of ditching it...but ill leave it on here and hopefully youll be able to get some of the ideas im trying to impart.</p>

<p>but all i can say is, even though its a huge cliche and is in a million songs...ugh, im shuddering to have to say this (bc of the cliche). but: listen to what your heart wants. (okay! i said it!) stanford didnt FEEL good to me. you have to see how yale FEELS. because that's what separates us from pure math and science--we have feelings, while machines dont. dont be a machine. do what you feel you want.</p>

<p>get the feel of the campus. because that's all that matters. it won't matter if you have a great education if you're unhappy. and on top of it all, here's some logic: THE POINT OF LIFE IS YOUR OWN HAPPINESS. so do everything to maximize that.</p>

<p>ps you don't happen to be planning an overnight stay on monday, do you? if so, i may be your host. (but i dont know...all i did was respond to the email that asked for a host for a eecs person coming monday night...)</p>

<p>pps i hate to say this, because i predict that stanford may outdue yale eventually...i have kind of a funny relationship with stanford ever since turning them down. but you might want to look at stanford, which has BOTH types of people...even though it is theoretically possible to only be friends with engineers. whereas at yale there are so few that that's not likely.</p>

<p>just realized that i may have oversimplified or misrepresented "the point of life." i mean, you might want to focus on other people's happiness, too. but in making big decisions about your own future, you need to focus on your long-term, big picture happiness...</p>

<p>oh and also new haven's crappiness means that people dont go into new haven, so there is TONS of stuff to do on campus. we're very organized around our campus, unlike maybe other schools where people just go into the city for things--we have lots of culture (plays, concerts, talks) and parties and everything right here at yale. and new haven's not so bad around yale...there are lots of really good restaurants. i went to ethiopian food tonight. (you eat it with your hands!)</p>

<p>also, in terms of your future success, i think that YOU matter more than your school does. and i think that if you're happy in your non-career parts of life, you're more likely to be more successful overall.</p>

<p>also, the three cs classes ive taken so far have each had 20-30 people. and they've been lecture classes with a professor. so people routinely ask the professor questions. in one class the prof is extremely close to the students; in others they aren't.</p>

<p>and yale engineering isn't BAD; it's just SMALL. important distinction.</p>

<p>hey yoshe - completely off topic for this thread, but where did you go for ethiopian food? i've heard some people mention that it's good, and my friends & i want to try it, but we don't know where to find it :-)</p>

<p>... and now, back to this thread's regularly-scheduled programming...</p>

<p>i forget the name of this place, but it's: from the new haven visitor's center/claire's/panache (not the td one) area: go one block towards the new haven green, and take a right. (near subway.) temple st, i think (i still dont have the streets right)</p>

<p>cool, thanks :)</p>

<p>Wow I totally haven't checked this board since I finished the whole college application thing a year ago. I was choosing between MIT and Yale last year and I chose Yale. My reasons: 1) Yale is a more well-rounded education; save the narrowing down for grad school 2) You meet a generally larger variety of people 3) If you still want to rock at science, you'll have less people battling it out for the same people and facilities here, it is really easy to get involved but there's still famous professors. 4) The atmosphere. Yale's campus is really nice, and I like new haven and being able to go to new york frequently. 5) The stress. MIT is crazy amounts of work, and that's what some people look for. I feel that at yale, you get a great education, but minus the daily problem sets. 6) There are always things going on, the food is really good for dining hall food (including mussels and salmon sometimes), and the housing can be prettttyyy sweet (looks like I'm getting huge singles all four years).</p>

<p>I think number 3 is a huge one if you're seeing MIT as better for getting you into science. Yale does not have an awful science department (let alone anything, hehe!) and because I chose Yale, I get to be paid to do sciencey work in a lab I loooooooovvvvveee!</p>