<p>I don’t know that much about it, but Ohio Northern might be a school to look into. It’s in Ada Ohio, has an engineering degree available and is a division 3 school. It is affiliated with the Methodist Church. It is private, however, private schools can often give good scholarships to students they want. It’s probably close enough that you could check it out reasonablely easily. I agree that 3+2 programs are probably the best way to go. UD is an excellent Catholic University which would likely be more competitive than Ohio Northern.</p>
<p>^^^^^That was supposed read “I agree that 3+2 programs are probably NOT the best way to go”.</p>
<p>The Lemoyne+Syracuse situation sounds like the 4+1 between haverford and columbia. This set up is ideal because the student doesn’t need to leave his college before senior year and is guaranteed admission provided a certain gpa is maintained. What is even better is the half tuition guarantee and the fact Lemoyne is a good small school ffor a student with your son’s stats. Only problem they don’t meet nneed so the npcs would be essential . Congratulations on a great find :-)</p>
<p>You can look at some of the smaller state schools like Wright State (~10K undergrads and a reasonably affordable in-state rate). </p>
<p>What about Alfred University in NY? They have Mechanical Engineering, only about 2000 students, and your S fits the academic profile.</p>
<p>Another reason for not completing an engineering degree in 4 years is that many students do a co-op for a semester or more. My son went to a state engineering school, did a co-op/internship for the spring semester and the summer, and did a couple of other summer internships. He made/saved enough money to pay for his room and board off campus his last two years. He finished in 4 1/2 years, but we only paid tuition for 4 total years. Wright State and UD, and I’m sure most of the engineering schools in the area, have a co-op program.</p>
<p>You indicate that you are open to applying for private scholarships to offset cost…do you have something in mind/are you well versed in this area? Many scholarships are for freshman year only. Generally your student will qualify for merit scholarships from the school primarily if he is in the top 25%. I wouldn’t want you to pin your hopes on scholarships. </p>
<p>OP wrote:
“If you wouldn’t mind, I would love to get your thoughts on this paragraph:
Students in the program complete their four-year bachelors degree — in physics, computer science, chemistry, or biology, as appropriate — at Le Moyne, while taking engineering courses at Syracuse University at no additional cost…”</p>
<p>Actually that sounds amazingly good, especially given that Syracuse is one of the most respected universities in the country. I highly recommend applying for that program. My only caution is to continue to explore other schools and similar programs. You never know what you might uncover.</p>
<p>Personally, I always recommend applying to at least five or six colleges. Apply to even more if there are doubts about affordability or admissions.</p>
<p>Regarding public universities in Ohio, I recommend Miami University. Very respected, plus 25% of students score below 24 on the ACT. Perhaps a bit of a stretch, but should definitely apply because it is far and away the best value among publics in Ohio, for undergraduate education. As for others, such as Wright State, I suggest making sure the extent to which those colleges are “commuter schools” where lots of students live at home while attending school during the day. If your son is not a commuter, then he could have a hard time making friends at schools where so many are commuters.</p>
<p>As a Catholic, I still recommend looking into St. Vincent College in Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>Carroll College of Montana admits students with his stats and has engineering; it’s in the capital of Montana so not totally out under the wide, wide sky, urban but nice campus and close to outdoors activities if that’s of interest.
Gannon, in Erie, would probably give him merit scholarships. There’s John Carroll in Cleveland, St Louis U in St Louis, UDayton, UScranton, U St Thomas (MN), St Michael’s (VT) would be matches. St Vincent, St Anselm, St Francis, St Ambrose would be closer to safeties or low matches and have different philosophies.
Fairfield (CT) Marquette (WI), Providence (RI), U Portland (OR) may be reaches.
But the Lemoyne/Syracuse deal sounds great at all levels. :)</p>
<p>Gannon University, mentioned above, has an engineering school and is located in Erie, Pennsylvania. Middle 50% ACT range is 19 to 24, so should be easy to get in. Has mechanical engineering but only one sub-discipline of civil engineering called environmental engineering (largely about water treatment). Also has a minor in earth science which is closely related to civil engineering.</p>
<p>See this:
<a href=“http://www.gannon.edu/Academic-Offerings/Engineering-and-Business/#programs”>http://www.gannon.edu/Academic-Offerings/Engineering-and-Business/#programs</a>
and
<a href=“http://www.gannon.edu/Academic-Offerings/Engineering-and-Business/Undergraduate/Environmental-Engineering/”>http://www.gannon.edu/Academic-Offerings/Engineering-and-Business/Undergraduate/Environmental-Engineering/</a></p>
<p>Gannon has about 3000 undergraduate students plus another 1200 in graduate school.</p>
<p>Again I have to say thank you to everyone… for once, we don’t feel alone in this quest. I know that many say this is early when I talk to friends about already looking, but I feel that if we can go into senior year with clarity it would only help my sanity (I have 3 younger daughters). </p>
<p>Thanks for the many suggestions! We are definitely opening our research of schools to many more, and we’re going through them to see if they’re matches for what he’s looking for. I am very familiar with Gannon, but only having one engineering degree offered is difficult to get past, nonetheless we will probably make a pit-stop there on our way back from eastern PA/ western NY for a visit. </p>
<p>As for state schools, Miami Ohio, Ohio University, Wright State are all amazing but D1 athletics (not that it’s a complete deal-breaker). It’s just that he would love to play at the competitive college level- not to mention he is so disciplined in his academics during the season- everything kind of just clicks better. </p>
<p>I just think that the perks of the LeMoyne/SyracuseU program sound amazing. But who knows, we may go to visit and he’ll hate the campus… just my luck, lol.</p>
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<p>A great little engineering school is Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology over in Indiana. Ranked best engineering program among schools which do not offer a Ph.D. It has the full range of engineering majors. Private college, so scholarships should be okay. Only about 2,000 students.</p>
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<p>Tempemom is right about this. By far the most scholarship money is given out by the colleges themselves in the from of merit scholarships. Private scholarship tend to be small, a lot of work to apply for, only for freshman year, and very competitive. You can’t really count on them making much of a dent in the cost, so keep your focus on schools that are more affordable to start with. With an ACT topping at 23, he won’t necessarily be eligible for a lot of merit money from the schools, either.</p>
<p>You mentioned you think he will take the ACT quite a few times. Focused studying (with some help from a parent or tutor) will probably do him more good than many retakes. And a higher test score could help boost his changes for merit money.</p>
<p>For the LeMoyne/Syracuse program, and for other 3-2 programs, you should try to find info on number of people admitted to the program and the number who finish. Also, how convenient is it to take courses at both schools? It doesn’t look too far, but check on the commute times. Finally, what are the consequences to not finishing the program? Will the bachelors in physics, chemistry, biol, or CS work?</p>
<p>A question you might ask on the “Engineering” board is “Are employers more likely to hire an engineering undergraduate or someone with an MS in Engineering with a physics undergraduate degree?” Describe the situation and often they give candid opinions. Good luck.</p>
<p>I mentioned Ohio Northern Unversity earlier. I wanted to let you know that they have one week summer courses called SAHI for exploring various fields of study, engineering being one. They are for students that have been identified as gifted or for those who receive a letter of recommendation from a teacher. I believe the cost is $450. It is probably about 3-4 hours from NE Ohio. They are ranked the #2 regional private university in the midwest region by US News and have an ABET accredited engineering programs in both Civil and Mechanical Engineering with co-ops opportunities available. They have about 2600 students of which over 400 are engineering majors. The average ACT of an accepted engineering student is 26.8. They are a D3 school with soccer as one of their varsity sports. They are a Christian protestant university but they do have a Newman Club. It seems to fit all your criteria except being a Catholic institution. Good luck. I just wanted to let you know about the week long program. My oldest D attended one at Purdue her junior year and it really solidified her decision to study engineering.</p>
<p>The reason I know about this is that I have a sophomore D and we were looking for summer programs for her. She loves biology and anatomy and physiology and they have a summer program for that as well. She also dances and they have a dance company. While looking at the University for that reason it got me to thinking about your post. I thought I’d pass on the information. </p>
<p>You might want to read the following thread here on CC:
<a href=“Thoughts on 3-2 Programs? - #14 by NROTCgrad - Engineering Majors - College Confidential Forums”>Thoughts on 3-2 Programs? - #14 by NROTCgrad - Engineering Majors - College Confidential Forums;
<p>Very interesting perspectives on that thread. After reading it, I personally have come to think that doing a 3+2 program is only a good idea if the second, two year, degree program has a significant difference from the, three year, liberal arts degree. In other words, getting a bachelors degree in physics plus another bachelors degree in engineering is not especially valuable. Same with an intentional 4+2, bachelors plus masters. At least, not a great career plan. Fine if you like doing the programs, but not much payback in salary or opportunities. Nor does it broaden the students perspectives.</p>
<p>For what it is worth, I have an engineering degree, and know plenty of engineers. Very few engineers have a masters degree. For the simple reason that it is not very valuable. I do not know what the statistics are, but I would wager that most masters in engineering are earned as part of a Ph.D program. </p>
<p>Actually, I misspoke. Many engineers do have masters degrees, but typically it is an MBA, not an engineering degree. 
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