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At Yale, on the other hand, "Harvard Sucks" is a pervasive phrase. Even President Levin has been known to shout it out in order to get a rise out of a student group.
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<p>I would just like to reiterate that, at the Harvard Prefrosh weekend, Larry Summers didnt hesitate to condescend to insult Yale.</p>
<p>I doubt it. His parents both taught there, and the poor guy was actually born in New Haven!</p>
<p>And you're wrong, Prepster. I don't think the complexes are "hidden" at all.</p>
<p>lets all try really hard to get into harvard, so that when were old, we can post to loads of little kids how great harvard is, just like some people on this forum.</p>
<p>byerly, u are the type of person who tarnishes harvard's reputation. you prove that there the stereotypical pretentious and arrogant harvard student truly exists. i never believed (nor have met) any harvard student/alum who truly thought they were better than all others. you prove that wrong.</p>
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Clear evidence of Yale's unhealthy "Harvardcentrism." (byerly)
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<p>Harvardcentrism may be unhealthy for anybody, but is it not a natural consequence of the reputational (if nothing else) supremacy of the undisputed #1 you focused on in the beginning?</p>
<p>I don't know the cause of "Harvard-centrism" everywhere else it may exist, but at Yale, the syndrome seems to go back to its very founding by a group of Connecticut clergymen of the hardline Calvinist sort, who thought their alma mater to the North was becoming excessively liberal.</p>
<p>Whatever Yale would eventually become, the founders were determined that it would be the anti-Harvard!</p>
<p>Interestingly, they guy who lined up Eli Yale as sugardaddy, and promised to name the school after him if he helped pull what was then known as the "Collegeate Schoole" out of bankruptcy, was that fearsome Puritan divine, Cotton Mather, who never forgave Harvard after they refused to name him president to succeed his father, Increase Mather.</p>
<p>HAHAHAHA! You doubt it, Byerly? Ask anyone who saw Summers speak at the Harvard prefrosh weekend this year. </p>
<p>My anecdote is certainly more verifiable than any of your claims that Yale students just walk around wearing anti-harvard memorobilia and Richard Levin walks around saying "Harvard Sucks"</p>
<p>Oh, and Byerly, I again ask you: how many times and how recently have you been to New Haven?</p>
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<p>.... "Let's be honest: President Richard Levin's, GRD '74, speeches usually put us to sleep. If there was ever a moment when Levin's oration evoked a powerful response from the student body, it was in 1997, when he said two words that caused an entire auditorium of Yalies to go absolutely berserk: Harvard sucks.</p>
<p>You can find these words anywhere on the Yale campus. They are plastered onto bulletin boards, etched into wooden desks, and printed on t-shirts. We have made them the mantra of our college years, and by now, "sucks" follows "Harvard" in common conversation as easily as it does "Bush."</p>
<p>We students are not the only ones guilty of allowing Harvard to obsess our minds. The Administration seems haunted by its influence. Policies are changed not because change is long overdue, but because the other Ivies, namely Harvard, are changing theirs. These changes may be necessary to stay competitive with our rivals and to attract the best students, but no one can deny that comparison is often taken too far. We evaluate every miniscule facet of Yale life in light of Harvard; perhaps one of the most ridiculous examples is a 1998 Yale Daily News article entitled, "Harvard beats Yale in the race for two-ply toilet paper" [YDN, 1/27/98].</p>
<p>I have never understood why Yale feels a compulsion to constantly compare itself to Harvard. When I came to Yale, I first assumed that the Harvard obsession originated in bitterness at being rejected from the school. But I came to realize that most people chose Yale over Harvard because of genuine preference, not by default.</p>
<p>So if it's not bitterness, what is behind our fierce anti-Harvard sentiment? Trying to figure it out, I thought of a question someone in my hometown once asked me: "Why would you go to Yale if you could go to Harvard?" This question infuriated me, because I knew he had never stepped on either campus, nor did he have any concept of what either school had to offer. Somehow, most likely by virtue of age, Harvard has been ingrained in the American mind as No. 1. Levin, our skillfull orator, put it best when he said, "Harvard deserves its high ranking only when judged by the silly criteria of small-minded people." Yale didn't make it onto the Saved By the Bell episode when Zack Morris was being hunted down by top colleges. Harvard did (in the form of Max, dressed up in a suit and with a bad accent). Public opinion constantly second-guesses the greatness of the school we know to be the greatest. The result: an inferiority complex that manifests itself in intense hatred of Harvard.</p>
<p>It is tempting to counter doubts about Yale's status by tearing down Harvard's. But frankly, adopting a "Harvard Sucks" mantra makes us look lame more than anything else. It is easy to mistake an inferiority complex for inferiority. In an editorial entitled "Always Second Best," the Crimson applauded us for "proudly carrying the banner of inferiority all these years" [Crimson, 11/19/99]" .....</p>
<p>Interesting quotes from the article:
"I have never understood why Yale feels a compulsion to constantly compare itself to Harvard. When I came to Yale, I first assumed that the Harvard obsession originated in bitterness at being rejected from the school. But I came to realize that most people chose Yale over Harvard because of genuine preference, not by default."</p>
<p>Byerly, Im not going to dispute that when Harvard does something, others follow; however, you should at least concede that the rivaly is far from one sided and that, in the end, I and most Yalies couldnt care less about Harvard.</p>
<p>... whatever you say, Prepster!</p>
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Whatever Yale would eventually become, the founders were determined that it would be the anti-Harvard!
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<p>By such historic standards P would have to be Yalecentrist more than anything else.</p>
<p>Byerly-I never see you on the Penn, Dartmouth, Cornell, Brown, or Columbia boards....why is that?</p>
<p>Probably because you haven't been looking.</p>
<p>And by the by, what's a Boola Boola boy such as yourself doing prowling on the "Penn, Dartmouth, Cornell, Brown and Columbia boards" anyway, let alone becoming a semi-regular on the Harvard and Princeton boards?</p>
<p>Some Princetonians seem more alarmed by efforts at Penn to create a rivalry between the two. Princtonians seem far more interested in looking up the ladder rather than down. Hence, perhaps, the debut of the "Harvard sucks" cry at the Princeton commencement</p>
<p>But to answer your question: I suppose that if Yalies persist in sniffing that "Princeton doesn't matter", then Princetonians would lose face if they acknowledge that Yale matters to THEM!</p>
<p>I have friends going to each school. Just seeing what experiences their college years might bring them so I can be excited for them and supportive of them.</p>
<p>Byerly, </p>
<p>what you consider harvard-centrism, most yale students think of as a friendly rivalry. and if you are going to quote the ydn, I'll go an quote the far more numerous articles in the crimson substantiating and lamenting the motto "harvard sucks." You are mistaken if you think yalies talk about or wear t-shirts about harvard more than during athletic events. Since you never attended yale (in fact, you were rejected) then maybe you should avoid commenting on the daily lives of yalies, of which you have absolutely no knowledge save through the eyes of one or two ydn writers.</p>
<p>You're a noble friend indeed! Good luck in the fall.</p>
<p>HY will kill each other for now.</p>
<p>NIH Funding data for 2004( top schools)
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<p>What happened to HYSMC, pton does not count( no med school).</p>