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<p>I find it rather ridiculous that all this talk of HYP ignores Stanford and MIT, considering top science students often ignore Y and P entirely. Let's use the term "HSYPM" from now on. Stanford performs better than Princeton both in the revealed preference rankings and RD matriculation rate. Neither school practices strategic admissions Hargadon/Tufts style. Moreover, the social sciences at Stanford are as good as, if not better than, Y's and P's, although they still fall short of Harvard's dominance in economics and political science. </p>

<p>Stanford is now reaching a point where it now performs the best against Harvard (Byerly might agree with this one), and competes well with Yale and Princeton cross-admits.</p>

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<p>"HYP" is an easily identifiable acronym with an ironic twist. "HYPSM" or "HSYPM" is not.</p>

<p>Considering that this thread was originally only about Harvard and Princeton, and Yale got added as an aside, I dont think we need to take it even further away from the original topic.</p>

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<p>Hargadon isn't at Princeton anymore...and that's all I'll contribute to this ridiculous conversation :)</p>

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<p>i would argue stanford only gets good cross-admits because of weather...but then again on cc that would incite some lame argument =P</p>

<p>but yes, this thread isnt about stanford or mit, nor is it about yale. but the original acronym is indeed HYP, CC'ers just like to lengthen it to HYPSM.</p>

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<p>food for thougt:</p>

<p>Phillips Andover 2004
Harvard 17
Brown 15
Penn 8
Columbia 10
Stanford 3
UCB 3</p>

<p>Phillips Exter 3yr data
Penn 40
Brown 35
Harvrad 34
Cornell 29
Pton 27
Dartmouth 21
Stanford 20
Duke 17
UCB 10</p>

<p>NIH Resreach 2004</p>

<p><a href="http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medttl04.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medttl04.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>And baba, why do we care about this data?</p>

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<p>bull **** out there does not match reality.</p>

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<p>what do andover and exeter have to do with the bull****?</p>

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<p>baba, why manipulate the list?</p>

<p>here's the full data</p>

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The Class of '04 matriculated at 107 colleges and universities, including :
Harvard - 17
Brown - 15
Columbia - 10
Yale - 10
Cornell - 9
Johns Hopkins - 9
New York University - 9
Northwestern - 8
University of Pennsylvania - 8
Georgetown - 7
MIT - 7
Princeton - 7

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<p><a href="http://www.andover.edu/about_andover/facts.htm#ac%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.andover.edu/about_andover/facts.htm#ac&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>time line:
<a href="http://www.andover.edu/cco/matrics.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.andover.edu/cco/matrics.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>At PEA the distribution 2001 was like this:</p>

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Harvard 17
Georgetown 14
Columbia 13
Dartmouth 12
Johns Hopkins 10
Princeton 10
Wesleyan 10
Boston College 8
Cornell University 8
Yale 8

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<p><a href="http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/6%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>2004 Matriculation numbers: Andover and Exeter (colleges with 5 or more)</p>

<p>Harvard: 17 (A), 13 (E)</p>

<p>Brown: 15 (A), 6 (E)</p>

<p>Yale: 10 (A), 8 (E)</p>

<p>Columbia: 10 (A) 12 (E)</p>

<p>JHU: 9 (A), 7 (E)</p>

<p>NYU: 9 (A), 9 (E)</p>

<p>Cornell: 8 (A), 7 (E)</p>

<p>Penn: 8 (A), 15 (E)</p>

<p>Northwestern: 8 (A), 5 (E)</p>

<p>MIT: 7 (A), less than 5 (E)</p>

<p>Princeton: 7 (A), 13 (E)</p>

<p>Georgetown: 7 (A), 10 (E)</p>

<p>USC: 6 (A), less than 5 (E)</p>

<p>Trinity: 6 (A), 5 (E)</p>

<p>Wellesley: 5 (A), 6 (E)</p>

<p>Chicago: 5 (A), 5 (E)</p>

<p>Wesleyan: 5 (A), less than 5 (E)</p>

<p>Stanford: 5 (A), 7 (E)</p>

<p>Dartmouth: less than 5 (A), 8 (E)</p>

<p>UVa: less than 5 (A), 5 (E)</p>

<p>Smith: less than 5 (A), 5 (E)</p>

<p>McGill: less than 5 (A), 5 (E)</p>

<p>Tufts: less than 5 (A), 6 (E)</p>

<p>UNC(CH): less than 5 (A), 5 (E)</p>

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<p>Harvard ranks 24th in the NIH funding with about 161 MM to Hopikins # 1 at almost half a billion dollars.</p>

<p>Engineering at Harvard also not par with even state schools like UT, Michigan, Minnesota.</p>

<p>if anyone is interested.</p>

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<p>Not really. When Harvard-affiliated hospitals are added to the total (hospital numbers are not broken out separately elsewhere) the picture changes dramatically.</p>

<p>SEE: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=939291&postcount=209%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=939291&postcount=209&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<pre><code> ... if anyone is interested.
</code></pre>

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<p>if anyone is interested UT engineering is # 10. Harvard engineering is not even ranked.</p>

<p>Not really, If one counts all the hospitals in Houston area, the funding numbers would skyrocket.</p>

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<p>Harvard is ranked #28, tied for #3 in the Ivy League with Penn and Columbia, behind Cornell (10 overall) and Princeton (12 overall).</p>

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<p>Im still confused as to why Andover and Exeter were brought into the debate.</p>

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<p>
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Im still confused as to why Andover and Exeter were brought into the debate.

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<p>Our old topic: Preference proportions of likeley cross-admit pools, if nothing else. Again Harvard is clearly #1, but taking college class sizes into account, P has its fair share.</p>

<p>If you look at A+E combined, more students enrolled into P then into Y, and the proportion of P to H matriculants is somewhat proportionate to different class sizes (30 vs. 20, 1660 vs. 1180 ca.). As for S, there is a certain "east coast bias" in these samples. Also enrollment to a particular school can vary substantially from year to year.</p>

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<p>hahah you people have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....take it from me.</p>

<p>prep schoolers are LESS LIKELY to cross admit than other pools...especially at Andover and Exeter.</p>

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<p>But you didn't go to either Andover or Exeter, did you?</p>

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<p>Oh I didnt?</p>

<p>I have a diploma that says otherwise.</p>

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<p>
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prep schoolers are LESS LIKELY to cross admit than other pools...especially at Andover and Exeter

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<p>top students from those schools can pretty much pick where they want to go. It would still be foolish for them only to apply to their 1st choice, so they end up collecting cross-offers from comparable schools as a rule.</p>

<p>In this respect they are not different from other cross-admits.</p>

<p>PS: Byerly, what source did you use for PEA?</p>