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<p>Since I probably know a little bit better how it really works, how about I tell you?</p>

<p>First off, the counseling staffs at both schools are second to none. Therefore usually a vast majority of students who go to Harvard or Princeton or Yale or Stanford or MIT apply early. </p>

<p>Also, the differences between top students at A and E can be very very very slim, making the process all the more a crap shoot, seeing as they really dont want to accept more than, say, 20 kids a year from each school. At least at Andover, students are not ranked and courses are not weighted. And much of the time it turns out that the early pool of applicants from A and E has a higher SAT average than the acceptees at the schools they are applying to!</p>

<p>So it turns out that the number of students going to each school mostly depends on how many were accepted. Last year at PA, Yale accepted the lowest percentage, followed by Harvard, followed by Princeton. This year, Princeton accepted an unprecedentedly low number of acceptees, followed by Harvard, while Yale accpeted the highest percentage.</p>

<p>Also, keep in mind that Harvard generally gets the most applications from each school, followed by Yale, followed by Princeton.</p>

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<p>I specifically asked you once, and I thought you said you didn't.</p>

<p>Anyway 56% of Andover seniors applied early for the class of 2009, compared to 48% last year</p>

<p>The top 10 destinations:</p>

<p>School / # applied / # admitted EA or ED</p>

<p>Harvard: 24/7</p>

<p>Georgetown: 14/7</p>

<p>Yale: 14/4</p>

<p>Brown: 11/5</p>

<p>Princeton: 11/4</p>

<p>MIT; 9/4</p>

<p>UPenn: 9/4</p>

<p>Cornell: 7/5</p>

<p>Tulane: 6/5</p>

<p>Stanford: 4/3</p>

<p>Dartmouth: 6/3</p>

<p>Columbia: 7/3</p>

<p>Vanderbilt: 3/3</p>

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<p>When did you ask me? I have tried to be pretty discreet about it.</p>

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<p>A lot of people who were deferred early got in to their first choice later. Most of the people who got into HYPSM early didnt apply anywhere else. It is considered a very rude thing to do if you dont have financial aid considerations.</p>

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<p>I think, this distribution shows once more that preference for H (taking the college class sizes into account) is somewhat overproportionate.</p>

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<p>According to Byerly's data we are talking about 22 people here. "Most of" probably implies <20 then. How do you know the population that could have received cross offers from the RD pool was necessarily smaller? </p>

<p>Why should someone deferred at H during SCEA, not apply to P or Y during RD?</p>

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<p>56% of the class applied early anywhere. Harvard had the highest number of early applicants from Andover THIS year. It was Yale last year. Still, Harvard recieves more PA applications than any other school (by about 5 or 10), and they thus accept more students from Andover. As I said before, most of the people that go to each school are not cross admits at a "peer" school. A very very few people get into, say Yale and MIT or Harvard and Princeton. And I only know of one person who got into Yale, Harvard, MIT and Stanford. But for the most part, the people that go to each school are not cross admits.</p>

<p>You could make a case that Harvard has a slight advantage seeing as they get, by a slight margin, more apps.</p>

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How do you know the population that could have received cross offers from the RD pool was necessarily smaller?

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<p>I know firsthand, Playfair. I explained it earlier. Yes, there are cross admits, but they are not nearly as common as you would expect for the number of factors I cited.</p>

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<p>prepster05:</p>

<p>What do you think is the most time consuming ECs and are well respected in Andover? (All kids do athletics). So give me your opinion from a field of music, newspaper, theater, debate, volunteer work etc?</p>

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<li><p>Do you think that the top colleges have taken one or two or more kids from each category? </p></li>
<li><p>People on CC always claim that too many kids from prep school go to HYP because either they are super rich (developmental case) or athlete or URM? That means maybe only 10 kids out of 34 (HYP Kids admitted) qualify for rest of the spots. Is this a true statement? Not to downplay most URM/ athlete must be outstanding too.</p></li>
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<p>To use your hypothetical, playfair, it is much more of a crap shoot applying from Andover than from most other schools. The Andover student that gets into Harvard after being deferred as well as Yale and/or Princeton and/or MIT is extremely rare. </p>

<p>Moreover, most of the early accpetees at Harvard, Yale, MIT, and Stanford (and all of them at Princeton) did not apply anywhere else. Most of the people who did not apply early who applied and got in only got into one-or at most two-of the schools.</p>

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<p>So Andover is a Harvard feeder. This is not news. P has its own feeder schools. The real news is that public school students are doing better and better at HYP in general.</p>

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<p>Parenty, that is not at alll true. Yes, there are many development kids, but a vast majority of the kids who get in (and many who dont get in) really do deserve it. Of course it varies from school to school year to year. To be sure, the competition is more rife when it comes to application time.</p>

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<p>Andover and Exeter and other prep schools are Ivy feeders in general.</p>

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<p>In my kid's prep school the kids have first contact with GC office in early 11th grade? Does Andover start counseling in 10 the grade? Math as an EC is very time consuming in kid's prep school. </p>

<p>Have you still decided you major or still not sure?</p>

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<p>Groton, Deerfield, Hotchkiss, ST Paul’s, Choate and many others are feeders’ school</p>

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<p>Usually counseling beings in the middle of the 11th grade. I am still undecided.</p>

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<p>Thanks have a good day! Enjoy summer!</p>

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<p>I would disagree somewhat with Prepster on the matter of Andover cross admits to the Ivies, MIT, Stanford, etc. There were a total of 1,053 admits (not counting WL admits) which is more than 3 admits per applicant. Considering the high number of early admits, this signifies a considerable number of cross admissions at elites.</p>

<p>Here are some total app/admit numbers for the Class of 2009 (matriculation destinations, waitlist numbers and the number of "switchers" after being taken off the WL by a higher-ranking school have not yet been collated):</p>

<p>Harvard: 91 apps, 15 admits, 16 WL</p>

<p>Yale: 85 apps, 15 admits, 6 WL</p>

<p>Brown: 83 apps, 20 admits, 9 WL</p>

<p>Georgetown: 76 apps, 31 admits, 4 WL</p>

<p>Columbia: 69 apps, 20 admits, 8 WL</p>

<p>Cornell: 68 apps, 32 admits, 8 WL</p>

<p>Penn: 65 apps, 24 admits, 7 WL</p>

<p>Princeton: 61 apps, 7 admits, 5 WL</p>

<p>Dartmouth: 56 apps, 12 admits, 7 WL</p>

<p>NYU: 50 apps, 21 admits, 3 WL</p>

<p>JHU: 42 apps, 27 admits, 3 WL</p>

<p>Stanford: 40 apps, 12 admits, 4 WL</p>

<p>Duke: 39 apps, 15 admits, 3 WL</p>

<p>George Washington: 37 apps, 19 admits, 9 WL</p>

<p>Vanderbilt: 35 apps, 16 admits, 6 WL</p>

<p>Northwestern: 35 apps, 15 admits, 5 WL</p>

<p>CMU: 35 apps, 21 admits, 6 WL</p>

<p>Southern California: 34 apps, 23 admits</p>

<p>MIT: 29 apps, 13 admits, 1 WL</p>

<p>U Chicago: 27 apps, 16 admits, 5 WL</p>

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<p>Byerly:</p>

<p>I have seen that you have very good knowledge about college admissions. I would like to know if this kind of a kid from a public school has any chance in Harvard's toughest pool to compete with prep school kids or are we just wasting our chance as more kids have this profile from prep school</p>

<p>(We need financial aid and were not even thinking to apply to IVY league because we have no idea that school provide financial aid)</p>

<p>Pinnacle scholar award </p>

<p>Research Scholar awards to do internship in a Top 5 college with a paid internship position</p>

<p>Recognition by the US congress for Volunteer work</p>

<p>A mathematics award for the top scorer in the 3-5 state regions</p>

<p>Various first place awards in essay competitions, which are published in magazines; newspaper and one cited on the national TV and dollar value $8000.</p>

<p>Son also attended some of the summer program and received many awards also listed by the operator? He also plays football and other sports.</p>

<p>Course includes so far 5 APs including math, science, history and top 10%, as school does not rank. Essay and recommendation are going to be excellent</p>

<p>Does our kid have a realistic chance to be admitted in HYP with a financial need based award?</p>

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<p>Most of those extra admits are at safety schools, byerly. Many people applied to 10 or 14 schools and got into most of them. Some, like me, only applied to one.</p>

<p>The new Harvard number is 19-4 were admitted off the waitlist. Remarkably, 17 are going (I think. One defected to Yale, the other to Columbia). 9 People are going to Yale-2 were lost to Harvard, 1 to MIT, 2 to Stanford, 1 to Princeton. 6 are going to Princeton (princeton lost one to Penn). 6 are going to Stanford. I think 10 are going to MIT.</p>

<p>Harvard did very well because of whom they admitted. The four off the WL were legacies, in addition to 3 legacies in the early pool and 4 athletic recruits in the regular pool-that means 11 out of the 19 were legacies and recruits. Yale had it rough this year, in part because Stanford was more generous. In addition, only 3 of the Yale acceptees were legacies (no recruits) out of 15.</p>