With a brief glance, it is difficult for me to tell exactly what this DEA program teaches, but at the very least it is not engineering in any sense of the word.
It’s not engineering, but it may meet the needs of the OP. Here’s the curriculum overview:
http://dea.human.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/dea_curriculum_overview_2016-2017.pdf
Right, I peeked at that before. The majority of the core classes aren’t titled in a way that I could decipher what they actually mean and I didn’t feel the need to dig deeper. I figured I ought to spend at least a little time on my work today. Heh.
To me it looks like something that focuses on designing (aesthetically-speaking) and marketing of products with a mind toward environmental sustainability, but that could be a misreading.
“I am not trying to put down GTECH engineering school. it is a very good school. However, this video is showing otherwise. It is a fact. He made only a meager salary ($24 per hour) and now doing a day’s trader and quit engineering job.”
This is ONE person’s opinion, in statistical parlance, n=1. It’s purely anecdotal. Making ANY sweeping opinion on one person’s opinion, a person who for all we know washed out because he couldn’t handle the rigor, is a fools game. I suggest a little finer tuning of the crap detector, or, if you’re really motivated, an intro course to statistics, so you realize what folly it is to base anything on one opinion other than accepting that it is that particular person’s point of view.
Yes, indeed it is only one person’s opinion not that of population is general. But, unfortunately such one representation can not be ignored that it exists. I did not say GTECH or GT is bad school at all. It is indeed GT is an excellent school for engineering but if any kids can not carefully find a good job, they will get lousy job(s) with engineering degree even from an excellent school. Any excellent engineering schools will not guarantee you to a high paying job. No pun intended but I know a Phd person who drives a cab now for a living and an ex teacher with Master degree but doing sales job.
Outliers are possible in ANY field. It’s important to recognize that example is indeed just that…an outlier and not representative of the average engineer experience.
Bill Gates dropped out of college and has no degree. Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. That doesn’t mean that it is typical for a college dropout to become a billionaire. Outliers.
Wow I like about this forum,: as the discussion is up to another notch. Speaking about outliers, if it is only one or two definately will not represent the whole area (the core or the whole subsets ) aka engineer experience. However, we can not deny their existence. I have heard the saying a long time ago: That is why or what they don’t teach at school. Meaning they don’t teach at school what to do if you fail to get a better job after school (you only get lousy entry level job)? or what if you get an engineering degree but only get paid $15 per hour?. It think we better start paying attention on the outliers too since they will teach us something too. I am not suggesting we have to be outliers. But, we can learn about outliers how they are also successful or why they fail and go from there.
I don’t think anyone is denying the existence of some people who get engineering degrees and then go on to either be unsuccessful in those careers or go on to hate their jobs. That’s just life. However, the average engineer makes more money than the average graduate of any other field of study. I’d imagine that their average job satisfaction is slightly higher as well, though I don’t have the data to back that up.
That saying usually refers to things you don’t learn in school such as dealing with government or corporate bureaucracy, networking, office politics, and other things like that which have an impact on your career but don’t fall under the purview of academia.
If that’s the case, you probably didn’t accept a job in an engineering field, meaning either you have a really awful GPA, you interview very poorly, or both. This would definitely fall into the “outlier” category, though. It happens, but the average starting salary for engineers in the US falls somewhere in the ballpark of $60,000/year, or about $28.85/hour for a 40-hour work week.
Sure, it’s important to understand the whole data set, including the outliers. In fact, that is how you identify outliers in the first place. They are the ones who don’t follow the trend (for better or for worse). The national average salary for mechanical engineers, for example, is a much better indicator of the career outcome for any random high school student considering ME than the outliers are.
Therein lies the problem with your recent posts. You started a thread titled “Mechanical Engineering what is expectation and what is reality”. That absolutely implies to any prospective student that you are trying to make a statement about what a student should expect after graduation, which means the content of that message should not be about the outliers. That’s been the general trend here with your recent posts.
If you want to try and highlight the outliers on the low end, then it also makes sense to highlight those on the high end, such as investment bankers (making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year) or professors (doing cutting edge research) and other such outliers. otherwise you give a very skewed impression of what any random Joe Schmoe prospective student ought to expect after studying engineering.
I appreciate your answers etc. However, my comments before will stand. And I just want to say Lets us make Mechanical Engineering great again by not forgetting the outliers who have also failed to make big bucks (for the entry level jobs) with their ME degrees. I know some ME grads making only meager $19 per hour for their initial/first jobs. We just have to accept the facts that it is not the failure that counts but how you will handle the failure and get out of it and make it work (make it big bucks). Once again Let us make Mechanical Engineering great again. Life is good.
Your comments will stand because you are either willfully ignoring what we are saying or because you simply aren’t understanding it. I don’t know which is the case. You cannot base a decision, especially an important one, by looking only at outliers. This is precisely what your recent string of posts have advocated. Yes, looking at the outliers can be important, but presenting them as the example of career outcomes without also presenting outliers on the other end of the scale and without the average outcome is not only meaningless; it’s misleading. It is unhelpful.
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