<p>Can we compile a list of pros and cons? Also, how many MSU students end up at UofM Med School, Wayne State Med school, and MSU Med school (does msu have a med school? I know it has a D.O. program, but is there an MD, I'm getting some conflicting info.)?</p>
<p>State has a MD program</p>
<p>MSU is the only university that has three medical colleges on campus- College of Veterinary Medicine (CVM, DVM), College of Human Medicine (CHM, MD), and College of Osteopathic Medicine (COM, DO). </p>
<p>I don’t know much about the CHM since I am pre-vet and will be attending the CVM class of 2016!, but I do take a lot of my required coursework with premed students. The COM was the first of its kind. You will have to decide whether you want to be a DO or MD, or sometimes your academic performance will decide for you 
. They are all great programs and very well respected. I do not know the statistics of where pre-med students wind up for professional school, but I’m sure a large chunk of the students in the COM and CHM are MSU undergrad almuni. It really depends on how well one does in undergrad. A lot of pre-med students are not accepted to any of MI’s med schools. It is very competitive. You go where you get in.</p>
<p>OK, so now can we compile a list of pros and cons? Also, if we could sort of compare premed at MSU v. being a premed at UMich that would be great(without bias please :P). </p>
<p>Also, are there any stats that show the number of kids that went from MSU undergrad to UMich Med, WSU Med, MSU Med, etc.? And what is the MSU Med school’s ‘status’ in the medical world? Is it well regarded? Obviously, UMich med is quite renowned but I would like to learn more about MSU med and if anyone has a recent match list that would be great.</p>
<p>Try researching via google. I doubt anyone on here has the answers to most of your questions.</p>
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<p>There is virtually no difference in the education you will receive at either university. You will have the same material taught to you. The only difference some say is a competitiveness difference. At U of M UG admissions is more competitive so I assume students getting there achieve more on average so grades in classes will be more competitive. Anyways, as for any other difference, there are a few that deal with volunteer/research/internship opportunies. You would think UM would be better for this with their excellent med school. Unfortunately I haven’t heard of anyone who benefited from any extraordinary opportunities by going to U of M. Then again, there aren’t any mind blowing mind opportunities at state. Truly, I am wrong in both cases. They’re probably a lot of great opportunities at both but you have to work to figure out what they are. If they were easy to find and do everyone would be doing them. </p>
<p>As for MSU’s med school, I do not have any evidence but based on the MCAT score they accept, their requirements for courses, and what I’ve heard from UG upperclassmen is that it’s a decent Med School but it’s nothing special based on USNews Rankings. You should look it up. It’s called MSU CHM. It’s just slightly harder to get into than MSUCOM (Osteopathic Medical School) based of it’s average admission scores. If I were you I would at least look into the Osteopathic Medicine too. A D.O degree is exactly the same thing as an M.D degree. Same rights, priviledges, etc etc. MSU has the nation’s best Osteopathic Medical School and it is the largest Medical School in Michigan with connections to many residency programs which will make so many connections for you once you graduate from the medical school. </p>
<p>As for U of M’s med school which is undisputably better than either of the previously mentioned, I’m not being sarcastic but good luck getting in. It’s 150 spots for which 7500 competitive applicants apply for, but hey! Everyone has their goals. </p>
<p>As for statistics med schools don’t release those. If they did the facts would be well known by all now. Word on the street, however, is an extremely small population of U of M undergraduates are selected for U of M’s medical school. </p>
<p>Lastly, the idea of comparing the Pre-Medical education received at these schools is proposterous! It’s not like U of M’s professors are teaching 1st year undergraduates what their top 10 ranked grad schools find in their research and studies. The Pre-Medical track is equally as good wherever you go. </p>
<p>I went to State over Umich. I went because I got into the DO Scholars Program meaning I am in MSUCOM as long as I get a 3.5 in UG. If you’ve got nothing like that going for you you’re better of at UM because if you change what you want to do U of M has great programs for everything.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply! Now I have some q’s about a DO degree. It seems like MD is way more popular and more prestigious. Why is this the case when DO doctors make the same amount an have the same qualifications? And is there such this as a DO surgeon?</p>
<p>Also could you pm me ur stats? I an going to apply to wsu medstart but now I think I should consider MSU’s program.</p>
<p>There is such a thing as a DO surgeon.</p>
<p>Back in the day there were 3 major ways to practice medicine. The allopathic way, the osteopathic way, and the homeopathic way. The allopathic was the first to be established and therefore, when the osteopathic came into play it was seen as second tier to a more established system that had been around for some time. Osteopathy is grounded in many underlying principles. It’s a patient centered approach that teaches that the patient is a whole functioning unit and there are interconnections between organ systems and that the body has the ability to naturally heal itself. Many who hear the word “holistic” immediately begin to have preconceived notions of what a D.O is. Osteopathy is not a pseudoscience. It is one that is gaining more grounds in the research everyday. Today at MSUCOM one of the nation’s best Medical Schools (overall, in primary care) biomechanics and engineers are working together to do research to justify to results Osteopathy has yielded. You see, the many doubters of Osteopathy like to point out that the medicine is not evidence based. This is not true. Principles taught in Osteopathic Medical Schools are those that have undergone several clinical trials and have just as much of a success as any allopathic procedure. It’s just that some of the things do not have a theoretical basis behind them. Furthermore, even if you’re not interested in what Osteopathy has to teach you can still go though an Osteopathic school and become a certified doctor and be equal to M.D. A D.O, at medical school, learns everything an M.D learns and MORE. They learn more about the skeletal and nervous systems and their connections with overall health. They utilize this knowledge to perform something called OMM (Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine) which is a hands on way of treating a patient using non-invasive methods. Even if you’re not interested in that, you can drop the method once you begin to practice, however, this treatment has shown to be so effective that many M.D’s are taking OMM classes out of curiosity. Speaking of when a doctor goes into practice, I laugh when people say “If you want to specialize or do research you need an M.D degree”. A D.O can perform any procedure, prescribe any drug, and specialize in any field an M.D can specialize in. There are Neurosurgeons that are D.Os, there are Orthopaedic Surgeons, there are Gastroenterologists, Cardiologists etc etc… When it comes to residencies many say there is an issue because some competitive residencies favor M.Ds. I don’t know if it’s true but I do know that a D.O can still get into any residency (as long as he or she has high qualifications) in the U.S while an M.D (not to criticize) can’t get into the specific D.O residencies because they have not learnt OMM. Everything an M.D does to become a licensed doctor a D.O does in an analagous process. All that being said, there is still some stigma. This is probably because M.D’s have been around longer and are therefore have more established systems and facilities while D.O’s have to start anew.</p>
<p>Hey TheSuperDhooper can you pm me your stats as well. I applied to the medscholars program at msu a couple weeks ago. What do you think my chances are with these stats?</p>
<p>ACT:34
Gpa: 4.15 W
ECs: major ones are varsity soccer, president of chem club, treasurer of NHS
and decent number of volunteering hours and doctor shadowing</p>
<p>and I don’t know if this counts for anything but my brother graduated from MSUCOM last year.</p>
<p>Do you think i have a good shot?</p>
<p>Does anyone know if MSU is just as hard as Wayne State U. for premed? Are they very comparable? From what I’ve heard, UofM is the toughest one of the three by far.</p>
<p>MSU has an excellent reputation for pre-med education. Sciences are top notch.</p>
<p>^Yup, that is why I’m considering it as an option to attend but what about in terms of difficulty? Is it on par with Wayne State or more difficult?</p>
<p>A half year later I log in and see your responses. Sorry. Well my stats are really mediocre for College Confidential Standards. </p>
<p>ACT: 29
GPA: 3.8 Took 6 IB Classes as a Top 10 Highschool (Newsweek)
Volunteered 200 hrs in a hospital, played varsity tennis for 2 yrs, had C++ and Flash Experience, School Newspaper writer, Scuba Diver, had shadowing experience and human dissection experience. </p>
<p>Those are the highlights.
The Program I got into is known as OMSP: Osteopathic Medical Scholars Program. </p>
<p>Be warned, I know a girl with <27 ACT and Below 3.5 GPA from an average high school that got in without any other factors. The program is not looking for the high school prodigies that live on CollegeConfidential. They’re looking for students students with communication skills who are great mentors. They care more about meaningful mentoring and volunteer experiences than perfect GPA or ACT. Of course, they do like to see good stats but considering that one girl I know who didn’t have much going for her, I think stats aren’t their biggest thing. (Then again, I bet she’s about to get kicked out right now)</p>
<p>Also, I realize some things I said earlier regarding the D.O praise the degree too much.
First of all, though the technically learn more than M.D’s it’s b.s to say they learn more about the nervous or skeletal system. </p>
<p>What they learn in addition is called OMM, Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine. It deals with things such as the reallignment of vertabrae which reestablishes homeostasis. In general, this OMM is shown to work but in some cases. In the literature there are studies supporting and some not supporting OMM. OMM is more of an art than an exact science but D.O schools are working to get it turned into a evidence based practice and so far it is becoming one. </p>
<p>Lastly, the education you receive as an undergraduate is virtually the same at UMich, MSU, and WSU regarding content and depth. However, in terms of prestige it goes U of M…significant gap…MSU…even bigger gap …WSU.
Prestige accounts for competition of classes basically.</p>
<p>Overall, I’d say MSU if you get into OMSP, UMich otherwise, WSU only if you cant go to MSU/UMich unless of course you get into WSUSOM which is amazing.</p>
<p>Hey Guys,
I am a senior at Troy Athens High School.
I am applying to the MSU DO Scholars Program
Here are my stats:</p>
<p>GPA: 3.78/4- AP CHEM, AP US, AP CALC AB, AP PHYSICS B, AP PSYCHOLOGY, AP BIOLOGY, AP ECON, AP ENGLISH, HONORS PRE-CALC, TRIG, ALGEBRA 2. , ORGANIC CHEMISTRY</p>
<p>ACT: 25 SAT:1180 CR+M- TAKING THEM AGAIN</p>
<p>PRESIDENT OF ATHENS KIVA CLUB, 120 +HOURS AMERICAN RED CROSS, SHADOWING A DO, HOSPITAL EXPERIENCE, RAN XC AND TRACK, NHS, Athens Diversity Club, Athens Muslim Student Association, Project Lead, Troy Athens Medical Club</p>
<p>Volunteer at Troy Bharatiya Temple
Grace homes of Pontiac Soup Kitchen
KIVA- [Kiva</a> - Loans that change lives](<a href=“http://www.kiva.org%5DKiva”>http://www.kiva.org) for more info.
Troy Youth Council</p>
<p>sry abt the caps…</p>
<p>What do u all think?</p>
<p>hey guys,
my bad on my statistics… i just wanted to see if those would work. but i have a 30. comment please</p>