<p>The citizens of Michigan should feel fortunate that they have the options of a state flagship (MSU) and a global elite (UM) at in state prices. Most other states don’t offer this.</p>
<p>Purpleduck- Yes you were rude. What you said is just plain not true, and it is insulting to someone who has obviously worked hard throughout their academic career. There was simply no need for the comment unless it was to make you feel good about yourself. It in no way added to our discussion.</p>
<p>Furthermore, MSU has been ranked in the top 100 universities in the world multiple times. Sure, were not in the top 20 like Michigan, but we are certainley not a school who “accepts everyone”. Please educate yourself on matters like this before posting a potentially offensive comment.</p>
<p>It is not a question of “right or wrong” or popular vs unpopular. It is a question of affordability. So far, Michigan has managed to find ways to cut costs without affecting the operations of the university by streamling processes and cutting unecessary expenses. Soon, Michigan will not be able to cut costs without negatively impacting the quality of the University. At that point, the University is goiung to have to make the difficult decision to enroll fewer IS students relative to the whole.</p>
<p>Are you mad because I said MSU accepts everyone?</p>
<p>Purpleduckman- It makes me mad not that you said that, but that you said it at a completely inappropriate time. I also do not appreciate people making degrading comments about a university they clearly know nothing about. It seems as if you just want a reason to claim superiority over others. I don’t think you know enough about my university to talk about it in that manner so please keep your comments about UMich until you do the appropriate research.</p>
<p>Alexandre- thank you for your comments. I believe the conversion will happen, just not as fast as you would like :)</p>
<p>MSU does not accept everyone. That was a specious statement that of course has no validity.</p>
<p>^ well stated.</p>
<p>Well, MSU wasn’t the only Michigan school to underestimate their yield. GVSU had a huge increase in applications and I’ve heard a higher yield next year mostly due to U of M admissions. GV gets plenty of U of M rejectees like MSU, just not as much as MSU.</p>
<p>Regardless, I agree with Alexandre that U of M should decrease the amount of IS students. First, U of M does not get enough money from the state, so they need more OOS students to at least maintain quality. Second, by getting more OOS students, they can lower the acceptance rate even further by rejecting more IS students. Finally, when U of M rejects qualified IS students, those students typically end up at MSU, GVSU, and various other Michigan colleges. Therefore, U of M helps increase selectivity at those schools, which helps those schools improve in the rankings game. Consequently, I think U of M should decrease the freshman class size to around 5000-5300, and have the class be 53-55% IS at most.</p>
<p>Well she made it sound like Michigan has an obligation to accept a lot of IS students. I was saying if we went and accepted every IS student the acceptance rate would be much higher, like MSU. Obviously not everyone… but much much more</p>
<p>Purpleduckman- I understand what you were getting at. Next time just try to state it in that manner the first time around. </p>
<p>Gv- yes, it seems like a lot of Michigan colleges are having a record year!</p>
<p>To say that UM should accept more OOS totally neglects the fact that UM has been built into the institution that it is today due to the work, money, and dedication of the people of the State of Michigan. It has an absolute obligation imo to return the favor & support the people of Michigan. 30% OOS is already too much. It is incredibly narrow-minded and selfish to suggest that UM should go to 65% OOS and 35 IS in order to capitalize on the gifts that the people of Michigan have given it. </p>
<p>MSUgeology, I know that when you get to MSU you will NOT be running into snotty students like the ones who unfortunately comprise some of UM’s student body. MSU is also hard to get into! Just ask the roughly 3000 students who tried to get in but couldn’t.</p>
<p>doesn’t umich have state-mandate for IS admittees (for e.g., - unc, cal, uw)? i will be surprised state of mich will give them a freehand at that.</p>
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No. There are three admission pools, IS, OOS and internationals. The OOS/int’l pool is almost double the size of IS, and increasing each year. It’s likely that the 25% increase in application last year came mainly from the OOS+int’l pool. Assuming the IS/OOS ratio has not changed (and there is no indication that it did), the same number of IS students will be enrolling this fall. The lower acceptance rate is more likely to come mainly from lower rates for OOS and int’l.</p>
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<p>UMich’s state funding is actually rather negligible - it’s only a small percentage of the overall budget.</p>
<p>UMich, as an educational institution, has a duty to educate its most qualified applicants (especially since the better the students, the better the education, and the better the alumni network). It shouldn’t turn them away simply because they live in a different state. We live in a world of global competition. Get used to it.</p>
<p>^ I agree.</p>
<p>His is it selfish to want more, better qualified OOS students but nit selfish to reject these students in favor of less qualified US students because the state pays taxes… even though it sound s a small amount and even though they rake the uni fir granted</p>
<p>Does it really matter in the long run whether the student is IS or OOS? It seems just about every Michigan student leaves the state after graduation regardless.</p>