<p>Dropped? I'm going to msu in the fall after not gaining admittance to u of m (before anyone asks me, my stats are: act 31, sat 2010, uwgpa 3.7, wgpa 4.3). I just talked to housing the other day and they said they have 900 more kids than expected. Is this because of UMich's lowered acceptance rate? I have to believe there are a number of kids like me who are now going to MSU. But 900 over seems like a lot...</p>
<p>Well that’s a major reason why. Michigan had 10k more kids apply and the acceptance rate dropped 10%. That’s gonna have a major effect on MSU.</p>
<p>Ugh, OOSers are taking our spots!!!</p>
<p>They are not “your spots” liv4physicz. Given the consistent reduction in state funding over the years, it only makes sense that the University alters its IS:OOS ratio. How else can the university maintain its standards if it does not fill the budgetary void created by the state?</p>
<p>If anything liv4physicz, you IS kids are taking OUR spots.</p>
<p>State school aside Michigan wants the brightest kids they can find. Now where are more going to be, in the state of Michigan, or in the rest of the country + entire world. If Umich really just took the most qualified kids regardless or residence, sex, race etc. you’d see a lot more OOS students</p>
<p>^You’d probably see 80% OOS students like private schools.</p>
<p>^ Which would be bad, seeing Michigan is a public state school and has somewhat of a duty to educate its qualified citizens. Alexandre, I know state funding has gone down, but Michiganders are still paying taxes to fund it! Why should they have to pay those taxes AND tuition to an OOS university because they weren’t accepted to their own state flagship (assuming they were reasonably qualified)? </p>
<p>And what is the IS/OOS ratio?</p>
<p>Yes they should. Or umich would have to accept everyone, but we won’t. We aren’t MSU.</p>
<p>2:1</p>
<p>Oh, do you make the admission decisions???</p>
<p>^no, but I know if people on this site that live and die by mine and others admission chances fir them, making it seem like I do make the decisions</p>
<p>Cough</p>
<p>PurpleDuckMan- I find your comments incredibly rude. Can you not read? Or are you just a pompous jerk? I am going to assume it is the latter. Please don’t bash a school which I just clearly stated I will be attending this fall. It makes you look bad, and it makes your university look bad.</p>
<p>^^ oh who are they?</p>
<p>and ya he is rude</p>
<p>I agree with purpleduck. I know for a fact that Michigan received 7,000 applications from international students this year. Only 750 of them were admitted. That’s an 11% acceptance rate. </p>
<p>I estimate (and this is purely speculation on my part) that approximately 22,000 OOS students applied, of which only 8,500 or so were admitted. Again, that’s approximately a 39% acceptance rate. </p>
<p>If my estimates are accurate (and they usually are) 11,000 IS students applied, of which roughly 6,000 were admitted. </p>
<p>Clearly, IS students are given priority. Personally, I think the University should gradually move to reverse the IS/OOS/International ratio to 30:60:10. It is we international students and OOS students that are bailing out the University, and it is time we are given credit for our contributions. Furthermore, the University should meet 100% of demonstrated need for all US citizens, not just residents of the state.</p>
<p>Alexandre- Do you believe that Michigan should convert to a private school then? Because if they change to the 30:60:10 ratio that you suggested while still being a public state school, they would face thousands of angry tax-payers (and rightly so).</p>
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I don’t get your logic. Unless Michigan has reduced its IS/OOS ratio (and there is no indication that it did), the same number of IS students will be enrolling this fall.</p>
<p>The extra 10,000 applicants are probably mainly from OOS and internationals. And the lower acceptance rate are probably due mainly to lower rates for OOS and internationals.</p>
<p>msugeology, I think the University of Michigan should remain public as it is an important part of the University’s identity and I like the thought that the school serves a public good. </p>
<p>This said, Michigan taxpayers have no right to expect much from the University because the residents of the state are not paying enough taxes to the University. The state is currently giving the University $270 million annually. This money is supposed to cover the the money lost by the University by offering IS students subsidized tuition rates. Let us do the math quickly:</p>
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<li><p>Michigan currently costs approximately $12,000 for IS students and $38,000 for OOS students. That’s a $26,000 difference between IS and OOS students. </p></li>
<li><p>Michigan currently has 17,000 IS students</p></li>
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<p>So, Michigan is subsidizing IS students to the tune of $26,000 * 17,000 = $440 million</p>
<p>That’s $170 million budget deficit. My 30:60:10 ratio is based on that number alone. I believe that currently, Michigan should have 11,000 IS students to match the $270 million appropriation given to the University. 11,000 students * $26,000 = $287 million. 11,000 would represent 40% of the undergraduate student population. However, since appropriations are shrinking annually without fail, I am estimating that 30:60:10 would be more appropriate.</p>
<p>Goblue- their acceptance rate dropped meaning a significant amount of IS kids who might have been accepted in previous years were denied this year. Right? And a lot kids who can’t swing out of state tuition will be going to MSU instead. Of course I am only drawing upon what kids at my high school experienced so my sample group is pretty small haha. Correct me if I am wrong, though! It just makes sense that it would work out his way.</p>
<p>Alexandre- I understand where you’re coming from and I don’t disagree with you. All I’m saying is it might be hard for UMich to accomplish that ratio because citizens of Michigan would be upset about it (whether it is a good economic decision or not).</p>
<p>Whether it is a popular move or not does not matter. The University has to afford the cost of opperation. It is quietly and slowly (to slow for my taste) reversing the IS:OOS ratio, but it is reversing it nonetheless.</p>
<p>Was I rude, or did you just not like what I said? I never lied.</p>
<p>Like Alexandre said, just because something isn’t popular doesn’t mean its wrong</p>