Music Performance/ International Relations major

<p>I know this is an odd combo, but I want to do both, then, money permitting, go to law school, or become a diplomat, or something along those lines. I 'm set in my ways with wanting to do this though.</p>

<p>So what are good schools for this double major. I already have Johns Hopkins at the top, A highly renowned International relations program and Peabody institute, a great school of music, but what are others. Is Rice good for IR (I know they have the sheppard school of music)? Does Georgetown have a good music program. I guess Tufts is out unless I want to get the Masters degree they are known for after my undergrad years. I just don't know what schools would be good for this. So a list of the top ten you'd recommend to look into would be nice.</p>

<p>Both Peabody and Rice are competitive music school admissions. In both of those you have to be admitted into the music school to major. For Rice, then you could take the classes to double major through the university. A number of students do it. </p>

<p>What kind of music? voice or instrument? What is your level of experience/skill?</p>

<p>Oberlin is an obvious possibility; Michigan, UCLA, Eastman/Rochester?</p>

<p>O sorry. I'm a French Horn player. I perform with two of the best youth orchestras on Long Island, have been an all-county player every year i've auditioned (from 5th grade to now, i'm in 11th grade). I might make all-state (I got a 100 on the solo) and I've done lots of chamber work, church music, and am first chair in school and in one of the youth orchestras (second chair in the other). So I fully intend to take my performance VERY seriously and think I can compete with the most talented musicians in the country for these good music schools. My problem is finding a university that also has a good International relations program. Does Rice have one at all? I know Hopkins has a great one, and its my first choice, but i'd like to apply to at least 4 schools (plus a safety school that I have a 99% chance of getting into). So if you could list some schools that have both good Music performance, AND International relations that would be very helpful. Also thanks for the responses so far.</p>

<p>If your grades and scores are good, you mihgt look at Princeton. I don't know specifically what opportunities undergrads have in IR, but, with the Woodrow Wilson school and Princeton's reputation generally, I would think the program would be good. Unlike the other ivies, Princeton appears to be pouring resources into its music program. I doubt a music major would equal the rigor of a conservatory, but, at least from the web site, it looks like it might be solid. There is even a JYA program specifically for music majors!</p>

<p>I've been lurking for a while. I am going to double major in IR and music at Stanford. There are some great flute teachers there and international relations is supposed to be very strong. I will try to get into San Francisco Youth Orchestra once I'm there. It's supposedly a top notch group and gets coaching from players in the symphony. A lot of professional players trained there.</p>

<p>first off, my grades are pretty good, (this is my junior year) GPA is around a 3.9 weighted, (1.1x per AP class) i've taken about 5-6 AP classes, can't remember exactly. But even still, banking on getting into princeton or stanford is dumb i think, such a low acceptance rate. Also, don't those two school put more of an emphasis on academic music rather than performance. Also, what do you guys think of Rice, Hopkins? also please list at least five if you can think. and does Georgetown have a music program? if so is it suppose to be good? Thanks for the responses btw.</p>

<p>Of the Ivy-league schools, Harvard is probably the strongest in performance, then Yale, then Princeton. All have excellent academic music departments -- except for Yale, none offers a performance major or faculty; at Yale, performance profs. are generally grad only. Stanford is similar to Princeton in quality of performance. Depending on the instrument, the chance of getting into SFSYO may be slim -- most kids there start in 9th grade or so; the college level kids often were in YO during high school and continue from Cal or Stanford; SF Conservatory wind players are often in YO as well.<br>
Columbia's location would be advantageous for finding good private teachers -- and Columbia pays for lessons; there is a remote possibility of studying at Juilliard from there.</p>

<p>I can't help with IR departments, but I know a bit about music schools that offer double majors pretty well.</p>

<p>Hopkins/Peabody is a very difficult double program to get into. You need to be accepted separately by both schools, then accepted into the double degree program after that. I think they accept something like a couple of people per year into all three, so you could be looking at much worse odds there than at Princeton, Harvard or Stanford.</p>

<p>If you want to get into Shepherd at Rice, you are going to have to be among the best handful of players in the country on your instrument. If you are not routinely taking first chair at the all-state level or higher, your chances there may not be very good. Their tuition is not as outrageous as it is at some schools and the academic prestige factor is high, so the competition is going to be rough. They have about 125 undergrads and 175 grad students total in Shepherd, including singers and keyboard players. That means that there are probably going to be something like two to four undergrad horn students in the entire program. If none happen to graduate the year before you want to start, there may be no openings at all for undergrad horn players that year. They will not take on a lot of extra instrumentalists that they cannot place in available ensembles.</p>

<p>Oberlin is a good option for those who are interested in double majors, but I can tell you nothing about their IR program. They do have a lot of people in the double degree program and a relatively high percentage of them manage to complete it. I would highly suggest looking there if you can verify that they have a good IR program. At around 550 students in the conservatory, almost entirely undergrad, and with two orchestras, a wind ensemble and several chamber music groups, they need a bunch more horns every year than a program the size of Rice's.</p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon is often mentioned as a music school for high-performing academic students, but you have to be careful there to see how long it would take to complete two bachelors degrees. The music program alone requires a very high number of credit hours and does not permit much flexibility to explore other areas in depth, so a double degree there could easily run to six years.</p>

<p>you might have a look at Case Western. They have programs that let you work on a BA while studying music with the teachers from Cleveland Institute of Music across the street. Again, you would have to see if the IR department (if any) at CWRU is up to your standards.</p>

<p>Bard college has a relatively new conservatory program that looks great on paper, but it seems to be having some problems getting started. The interesting part there is that they require all of their BM students to take a second non-musical major. It is worth a look, but be sure to talk to some students on your instrument there to get a first hand account of how they feel things are working out.</p>

<p>Temple in Philadelphia would be very much an academic safety for you, but they get some very good teachers in music from the Philly Orchestra (some of them also teach at Curtis). Again, no ideas about IR there.</p>

<p>I have heard that U Rochester/Eastman is not an easy double degree because of the logistics of getting back and forth between the main campus and the music school. I have heard others say it is not all that bad, but you have to be very organized about your schedule.</p>

<p>New England Conservatory has double degree programs with both Harvard and Tufts, but admission is very difficult and the program gets very expensive because you wind up paying tuition at both schools. NEC is not known for giving out much financial aid.</p>

<p>Georgetown has a rather small music department and does not list a horn teacher that I could find. They might be willing to hire an adjunct, but you may not know who that is until you get there. The picture of their "orchestra" makes it look like they have 30 or so people in it, and the only brass I noticed were a couple of trumpets. Both their orchestra and wind ensemble are open to students, teachers and community members. That is often a red flag if you are looking for a top music school that should have more than enough talented students filling out their top ensembles.</p>

<p>Lawrence, Northwestern and St. Olaf all have very good music programs. It may be worthwhile looking to see what their IR departments are like. Northwestern may be a bit of a reach and there have been some concerns recently about the state of their music program, but it looks like they are starting to put some real money into it and rebuild after having lost some key teachers.</p>

<p>The Harvard-NEC program, which accepts about 2 students per year, costs an additional $6000 over Harvard's tuition -- not double tuition. Columbia-Juilliard which accepts about 2 students a year as well is Columbia tuition only. Both, in addition to being virtually impossible to get into, involve a lot of commuting and serious problems finding practice rooms.
Oberlin does not have an IR major but it has excellent academic offerings in that area (politics, etc.)</p>

<p>USC (So. Cal) has a large international relations program and their music school is excellent - so you might check that out.</p>

<p>Look at Georgetown's music major. It is probably NOT what you are looking for--it is a major in American musical culture, or something like that. Not a performance major, and not a standard theory/music history major either.</p>

<p>Flutegirl...PM me if you want more information about SFYO and Stanford (and flute players). My S is in YO, goes to SU and one of his good friends played flute in YO last year.</p>

<p>I used the College Board's website to pick out schools that have both International Relations and Music General Performance as majors, that have a symphony orchestra and that allow double majors. From among the results, here are some for which I have heard good things concerning at least part of their music program. Note that I have no idea whether their IR departments and their horn teachers are any good - you are going to have to work on that part.</p>

<p>Baylor U
Boston U
Bowling Green State U
Brigham Young U
Butler U
Carnegie Mellon U (but see note in previous posting)
DePaul U
Duquesne U
Eastern Washington U
Florida State U
George Mason U
Gordon College
Idaho State U
James Madison U
Kennesaw State U
Lynn U
Miami U (OH)
Michigan State U
Millikin U
New York U
Northern Arizona U
Northern Kentucky U
Northwestern U
Ohio State U
Portland State U
Samford U
San Diego State U
San Francisco State U
Southern Methodist U
Texas State U, San Marcos
U Akron
U Cincinnati
U Delaware
U Denver
U Georgia
U Kansas
U Miami (FL)
U Minnesota, Twin Cities
U Redlands
U Southern California
U Washington
U Wyoming
Valparaiso U
Wartburg College</p>

<p>Re: #9 above,
Bass Dad:</p>

<p>Tufts/NEC Double Degree students pay just Tufts tuition, but you do need to factor in the extra expense of the 5th year. Although NEC may not be generous with scholarships, Tufts offered the best financial aid package out of the 9 schools to which DS applied. His package does include National Merit $ and outside arts scholarships, but that $ would have gone with him wherever he attended. In the end, we're paying just $6K more per year than we would have at the flagship state U. That's $6K well spent, as far as we're concerned.</p>

<p>OP:
Fletcher @ Tufts is, of course, renowned. While I haven't checked to see whether Tufts offers an IR undergrad degree, you could certainly major in PoliSci with an emphasis in IR, thereby gaining access to the Fletcher School faculty.</p>

<p>All that being said, Tufts and NEC are both tough to get into. Tougher still to be admitted to the double degree program, which requires acceptance to both schools and a separate acceptance into the double degree program. As I understand it, 10 - 15 students/year are generally accepted into the Tufts/NEC DD program. Usually, about half the accepted students enroll. This year, just one student will be starting the Tufts/NEC DD program. In fact, he moves in tomorrow.</p>

<p>Thank you, rlmcmillan and mamenyu, for the correct information about the costs of the NEC double degree programs. Like most programs when a stand-alone conservatory partners with a top-notch University, the number of double degree students who start is very small and even fewer manage to complete it. In other words, an extreme reach for just about anyone.</p>

<p>The OP's grades and musical accomplishments are very good, but it seems to me that most of the schools he has named are on the reach end of the spectrum for him. Getting into a top University and the corresponding top Conservatory, and then being allowed by both to get into an elite honors programs is not exactly a high probability event. It is great to have a real reach or two, but he will want to be looking at some single institutions that have both a good IR program and a good music department on the same campus.</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>It's not a crazy combination at all. I know several people who have done it, and this kind of training has all sorts of future applications.</p>

<p>I'm the coordinator of admissions for the Bard Conservatory. We are a small school, with a new and exciting approach to conservatory education. All students in the program earn two bachelor's degrees in 5 years--in your case, a BM in horn performance, and a BA in political studies, human rights, economics, or another major related to IR with an additional concentration in Global and International Studies.</p>

<p>The horn faculty at Bard include Julie Landsman from the Met, Jeffrey Lang from the Philadelphia Orchestra, and Julia Pilant (who until recently was principal horn in Syracuse). Conservatory students participate in the full academic life of the college, in addition to a rigorous conservatory curriculum. </p>

<p>More information can be found here:
Bard</a> College Conservatory of Music
Bard</a> | Globalization and International Studies Program</p>

<p>This semester we have a horn student whose other degree is political studies, and he's spending this semester in NYC with the Bard Globalization and International Affairs program:
Bard</a> Globalization and International Affairs Program</p>

<p>Feel free to pm me with any further questions.</p>