<p>I think your music theory and history classes may qualify to fill distribution requirements at your new school. Not every school has a music minor, but that might be fairly easy for you do complete.</p>
<p>Here is a link to the transfer information for Columbia College.</p>
<p>I would search around the web site or e-mail them to see if you will be responsible for the entire Core Curriculum as an incoming second year student.</p>
<p>Penn's transfer web page is below...</p>
<p>These schools are not likely to make accomodations regarding their requirements but if you fit their transfer criteria, good luck.</p>
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The dilemma you may have at schools with conservatories or top schools of music is that the top ensembles (which would be of the level you are used to) are usually reserved for Performance Majors only. If you are an English major, you probably will not be permitted to audition. You should inquire about this for each school.</p>
<p>You probably will not be challenged by the ensembles at the colleges without top schools of music considering what you are accustomed to.</p>
<p>Many schools allow a Double Major BA such as English & Music in 4 years (but since you are not Performance BMus, ensemble access might be limited). The conservatory combination schools offer a BA in English and a BMus in 5 years. This would allow membership in the top ensembles.</p>
<p>Some further info:</p>
<p>-Schools w/ conservatories on campus not previously mentioned: Lawrence, McGill, Carnegie Mellon</p>
<p>-Music school is a 20 minute bus ride from main campus: URochester/Eastman, UMichigan/north campus where music school is</p>
<p>In addition to limitations on joining orchestras and ensembles, there may be limitations on instruction. If you are not a music major, you may be able to take lessons at no additional cost; however the lessons might be with a grad student instead of a faculty member. Private lessons for a conservatory-level student can be very expensive - - $150/hr or more.</p>
<p>Yes, most ensembles at schools with good music programs give huge preference to music/performance majors, depending on the school. You can do it, but you need to be excellent.</p>
<p>Most colleges in cities or larger schools will be able to offer you lessons and performance opportunities. Definitely ask if your lessons can count as credit and/or be paid for. That is a huge advantage of a school that at least has a conservatory--lessons tend to be free. With my instrument, an advanced student needs to take lessons with an excellent teacher (such as the principle with a city orchestra), and that costs a ton of money. I'm not sure if the same is done with other instruments. What do you play?</p>
<p>Emma
If you are looking to drop the music entirely but still have ensemble and lesson access then Wash U might be just the place for you.No music majors to compete for ensemble spots with.Lessons with St Louis Symphony members.Adequate music facilities.Major city with cultural access.Excellent caliber of student body,lots of kids who played seriously in HS but didnt want to continue in college.
It wont be conservatory quality but it seems thats not what you are looking for.
You should be able to get transfer credits at least for the music history and theory.</p>
<p>Well, I play a fairly underrepresented instrument (viola), not violin or flute. And the cost of lessons certainly is a consideration - it seems that UPenn and a couple of other schools pay for lessons (up to a certain amount) if you are at least a music minor. That is something I would definitely consider.
Thanks for reminding me about McGill! I will check that. (And Canadian tuition is a benefit too!)
One thing I am concerned about with a 5 year double BA/BM program is whether I would be able to do it in 5 years, since I haven't started the BA portion yet.
Also - what are some colleges that are known for attracting highly accomplished musicians who don't want to major in music? I know that Yale only has a graduate program, but are there a lot of Yale undergrads who play at a high level?</p>
<p>Regarding transfer credit at Penn I know that the music theory class fulfills a distribution requirement for quantitative studies believe it or not. At Penn there is only one orchestra for whatever it's worth whether you are a music major or not. The chamber music ensembles seem to be geared to ability level. For example my D is a freshman but is playing in an ensemble with seniors and grad students (although performance is not available as either an undergraduate or graduate major). Here's a link to a recent article about Penn's music performance status from the alumni magazine <a href="http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/0705/feature01.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/0705/feature01.html</a></p>
<p>Emma, first year at Lawrence for double degree students is totally conservatory work (they get one other class in 2nd degree) except for Freshman Studies which all must take including transfers. It probably works the same at other schools offering the double degree. Do you have any credits to transfer over like AP or IB? You may be able to do the double degree path in 5 years especially if this year you have theory, aural skills, keyboard etc. (first year conservatory classes under your belt, so to speak.) Best thing is to check with schools you are interested in and see what they say.</p>
<p>I have a friend who is double majoring in Music Performance and English at Indiana U. Great music school, especially for strings. However, orchestra spots are by audition (and I'm guessing preference is given to majors.) Non-majors can have lessons with grad students; music faculty is reserved for majors.</p>
<p>You should not have any problem completing a double degree in 5 years. In fact you may be able to do this in 4 years if you take a heavy schedule and/or a summer session. You are not behind because most doubles begin with a heavy concentration on music.</p>
<p>I am familiar with some of the dd programs. Curtis, Julliard and MSM are great conservatories but because the music is so intensive, they are poor choices for double degrees. I am not sure about NEC/Tufts or CIA/CWRU. I have the impression that the first may not work very well but the second choice might. The 3 best options have already been mentioned: Oberlin, JHU/Peabody, and URochester/Eastman. Oberlin is a great community but some consider it a bit isolated. JHU is often overlooked because of its reputation for pre-med. Actually JHU has good programs and is very interested in attracting top students in the humanities. Depending on your performance level, Eastman might be a bit music intensive. Several other possibilities have already been mentioned: Indiana, Mich, Northwestern, BU, and Carnegie. The level of music performance is generally much lower so you need to check each program and the studio heads. Of the ivies, only Yale has music performance, but as you know this is at the grad level. UG opportunities are minimal. My D was told that the grad faculty is not allowed to accept UG's into the studios.</p>
<p>With your academic stats and performance history, you should not have a problem transferring to an environment that offers you more choices. Best of luck.</p>
<p>If interested in the possibilities at Oberlin for non-Conservatory students, the relevant information is available at <a href="http://www.oberlin.edu/catalog/college/music.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.oberlin.edu/catalog/college/music.html</a> six or seven paragraphs down from the top, and at <a href="http://www.oberlin.edu/catalog/general/expenses.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.oberlin.edu/catalog/general/expenses.html</a></p>
<p>Although Conservatory students get first dibs, it is possible for students in the College to take lessons from Conservatory faculty (no additional charge if you do not exceed 16 credit hours per semester, $860 per additional credit hour thereafter) and to audition for placement in the Conservatory orchestral groups.</p>
<p>The viola teachers there are Peter Slowik and Karen Ritscher. It appears that Slowik currently has 16 students taking viola as a principal instrument (hour lessons, 4 credit hours) and 4 as a secondary instrument (half-hour lessons, 2 credit hours). Ritscher has 3 taking as a principal instrument, 10 as a secondary instrument, and she also teaches a weekly group lesson (1 credit hour) for about five music ed majors.</p>
<p>BassDad - thanks for that info about Oberlin! How does your daughter like the school?</p>
<p>She likes it very much indeed, although I should mention that she is politically very liberal and a vegan to boot. </p>
<p>Oberlin seems to inspire strong reactions. Some people fall in love with it and can't imagine going to school anywhere else. Others take one look and conclude that they would go stir-crazy inside of two months. One way or the other, it is the kind of place you really need to visit to fully appreciate.</p>
<p>My son is a cello major at Eastman. The double degree is doable there, but my son says it is very difficult for strings majors because of all of the rehearsals in addition to practicing. However, there are students who do it. Only BM and music ed students may study with an Eastman faculty. All other students study with graduate students. Also, the Eastman orchestras are only open to Eastman students. The University of Rochester does attract quite a few students interested in music and has 3 different orchestras.</p>
<p>My sense is that the larger state schools - Indiana and Michigan - have more flexibility in allowing non performance majors in the orchestra and giving non-performance majors access to the major teachers. It is certainly worth looking into. You should also investigate Northwestern. They may be able to provide you with some of what you are looking for.</p>
<p>edad- the level of music performance at Indiana is equal to that of most of the leading conservatories. In fact, in some areas Indiana is clearly the leader. It will vary depending on the instrument, of course. D actually felt that Indiana's vocal performance program was superior to Julliard's. With the larger size of the program, you get more politics, however.</p>