@centralNJdad, the College Board list found online, which supposedly lists colleges that require “All Scores,” is unreliable. It was created in 2009 when colleges first created the all scores rules in reaction to College Board’s adopting score choice. CB has failed to modify the list since 2009. As I mentioned in the first post on this thread, that list was inaccurate even when it was first published in 2009, in that most of the colleges it listed as having an “All Scores” rule never had one. Moreover, almost all the colleges that did create an all scores rule in 2009 now accept score choice, and there are now only a handful of colleges left that still actually require all scores.
Thanks for the comments. My daughter has since informed me that she spoke to someone in the U of Maryland admissions office late last week and they told her that it is NOT required to report all scores.
If a college can require all scores sent, presumably it has a way to confirm that an applicant has complied. If that’s the case, does the College Board or ACT also inform the college how many times the applicant has taken the test? Most colleges probably wouldn’t use that information anyway, but some might.
@INJParent, the testing agencies provide nothing to colleges on tests the applicant has withheld and colleges cannot go to those agencies to determine the issue.
Many high schools put all the student’s test scores on the official high school transcript sent to colleges. Thus, if the student withholds a test via the testing agency and attends one of those high schools, the college can determine that the student attempted to withhold a test after it gets the transcript.
Another possibility is that there are now many states that have state testing dates that do not match the national testing dates because they require all juniors (or first semester seniors) to take one of the tests on that state testing date as part of their annual process to show compliance with no-child-left-behind laws. For students from such states, a college may conclude a test was withheld if the ones received from the testing agency do not include the state-mandated test.
Other than those two methods, there does not appear to be an easy way for a college to determine whether a test has been withheld absent the student admitting that fact. Though all scores rules have now been around for ten years, there is a lack of any publicly available evidence to indicate how and whether an all scores rule has been enforced by any college that has such a rule, e.g., I have not seen one public report of a student being denied admission or otherwise punished for failure to provide all test scores.
the testing agencies provide nothing to colleges on tests the applicant has withheld and colleges cannot go to those agencies to determine the issue. Many high schools put all the student’s test scores on the official high school transcript sent to colleges. Thus, if the student withholds a test via the testing agency and attends one of those high schools, the college can determine that the student attempted to withhold a test after it gets the transcript. Another possibility is that there are now many states that have state testing dates that do not match the national testing dates because they require all juniors (or first semester seniors) to take one of the tests on that state testing date as part of their annual process to show compliance with no-child-left-behind laws. For students from such states, a college may conclude a test was withheld if the ones received from the testing agency do not include the state-mandated test. Other than those two methods, there does not appear to be an easy way for a college to determine whether a test has been withheld absent the student admitting that fact. Though all scores rules have now been around for ten years, there is a lack of any publicly available evidence to indicate how and whether an all scores rule has been enforced by any college that has such a rule, e.g., I have not seen one public report of a student being denied admission or otherwise punished for failure to provide all test scores. This thread does not actually deal with the history of colleges requiring and then not requiring subject tests., but that is something that has also seen huge changes in the last ten years. Cornell’s change now leaves only four colleges (other than those that may require them from home-schooled applicants or some special programs) that still specifically require subject tests when applying for admission nursingtestblue – MIT, Caltech, Harvey Mudd, and McGill ( a Canadian college which accepts ACT in lieu of both SAT and subject tests). A number of colleges that previously required them have, over the last ten years, changed to recommending them, to just considering them if submitted, or to no longer considering them at all.b What I do not understand about Cornell is why it has become reasonable in accepting score choice for SAT tests and now no longer requiring subject tests, but, for no logical reason, still insists on applicants submitting all ACT tests if they submit any ACT test.
Another one bites the dust? Barnard’s website no longer includes the all scores language quoted back in post #84 and their FAQ now says:
https://admissions.barnard.edu/admissions/faqfirstyear
see also https://admissions.barnard.edu/admissions/testing
UPDATE: With Barnard’s abandoning its all scores rule, that now leaves four colleges with such a rule: Georgetown(all SAT, ACT, and SAT subject tests); Cornell (all ACTs if you submit any ACTs but accepts score choice on SAT and subject tests); Yale (all SATs or all ACTs, and all of both if you choose to submit both tests, score choice accepted for subject tests); Carnegie Mellon (same as Yale)
only if it’s specified that it’s required
For Georgetown, yes!
No, you do not need to.
Check this FAQs:
https://prodigylearning.org/satfaq/
Goes into Score Choice in detail. You don’t have to send your all you scores to all schools
^The issue is not whether College Board allows you to exercise score choice to withhold some scores from colleges. If College Board controlled the issue, there would be no requirement anywhere to send all scores.
The issue is instead whether the particular college requires you to provide all scores despite CB’s score choice procedure. Starting 11 years, after College Board adopted score choice, a significant number of colleges adopted rules requiring applicants to send all scores and thus prohibiting them from exercising score choice if they wanted to apply to those colleges. In other words, at such colleges, your exercise of score choice raised a risk of being denied admission for doing so. Over the last ten years, the list of colleges that adopted an all scores rule has changed significantly, and this thread has been devoted to tracking those changes. What has happened is that almost all colleges that initially adopted an all scores rule in 2009 have since abandoned the rule and now accept score choice.
However, there are four colleges still left that have a form of an all scores rule, and as mentioned above, those are: Georgetown (requires all SAT, ACT, and SAT subject tests); Cornell (requires all ACTs if you submit any ACTs but accepts score choice on SAT and subject tests); Yale (requires all SATs or all ACTs, and all of both if you choose to submit both tests, but score choice accepted for subject tests); Carnegie Mellon (same as Yale).
As noted above, the four colleges that still had an all scores rules were Cornell, Yale, Carnegie Mellon and Georgetown.
Due to the coronavirus issues, Cornell, Yale and Carnegie Mellon will be test optional for applicants applying this Fall for admission into the Fall 2021 freshman class and there is no requirement to submit any or all scores… https://admissions.cornell.edu/news/cornell-university-suspends-actsat-testing-requirement-2021-applicants and https://admissions.cornell.edu/standardized-testing-requirements; https://admissions.yale.edu/standardized-testing; https://admission.enrollment.cmu.edu/pages/fall2021-admission-faqs. Moreover, both Carnegie Mellon and Yale will not consider SAT subject tests even if submitted.
Georgetown will be test optional with a twist. You can choose not to take the SAT or ACT and thus submit nothing. However, if you have taken any SATs or ACTs all must be submitted. Subject tests were previously recommended and all taken were required to be submitted. You can apply without them when applying in the Fall but Georgetown “asks” that you submit them if you have them. https://uadmissions.georgetown.edu/flexible-testing-requirements/
Net effect: except for Georgetown for tests that you have taken, there is no college in the nation requiring the submission of all test scores for those applying this Fall for entry in 2021.