<p>i want to continue playing the violin... in addition to a strong engineering progrram i'd want the music aspect... my board scores to give an idea of which i would most likely not get into</p>
<p>800M 660V + 710W (my average on my practice tests)
800 math II
740 Chem
690 physics
690 current writing*</p>
<p>If you're good enough to get into Peabody on violin, JHU. Otherwise, Columbia, Penn, and JHU should be about equal. (Columbia College has a joint program with Juilliard, if that would be in range for you.)</p>
<p>Realistically, I don't think you will have time to seriously pursue violin while majoring in engineering at the schools you named. You might have to settle for less violin. I am not sure how serious you are about violin. The Eastman School of Music at the University of Rochester offers a dual major with a lower music credit hour requirement than the professional music degree...music and something else such as physics. Not sure if engineering and music is an option though. Of the schools you named, I think Cornell engineering is best. Cornell might have an arrangement with the Ithaca College music program...not sure. The Columbia-Julliard arrangement sounds intriguing.</p>
<p>The Columbia-Juilliard program is difficult - few do it. You must be admitted to both programs. Penn and Curtis also have an agreement - not sure of the details. My S has a classmate who was able to take a few music classes at Curtis. Either city, however, has plenty of opportunity for music outside of classes.</p>
<p>BTW, my H played very little violin once he started Engineering school - and he played with a (small town) symphony while in HS.</p>
<p>Another idea is Case Western Reserve University, as they have a good engineering program and a cross-registration arrangement with the Cleveland Institute of Music.</p>
<p>thanks for all the sound advice... no i'm not planning on majoring in violin... maybe a minor tho... and with that said i already devote about 4 hours a week to the hunterdon symphony... our county* semiprofessional... with that said... i keep scoring about a 2200 on the practice for the new sats... are any of those schools too out of reach? oh and finally, i really want to stay close to jersey... my parents wishes</p>
<p>Penn and Curtis works like this: Curtis students can take Penn classes at no charge; Penn graduate composers and conductors get occasional access to a Curtis reading orchestra. </p>
<p>UIUC could work well for you. Rice definitely sequesters engineering and music. Northwestern is to my only knowledge the only school that allows a double degree in engineering and music. Vanderbilt is a good place. Also perhaps Princeton or Stanford, which both have decent but non-competitive performance scenes.</p>
<p>Is it really feasible to pursue intersts in such diverse areas? I hope so! But it is likely that you will be competing with students that either practice music or think mathematical thoughts their every waking moment. Will the relatively fewer hours devoted to each individual field damage the potential for success in either? I would love to hear from anybody who has successfully blended such diverse interests!</p>
<p>For what it is worth, the U of Rochester does accept dual-degree applicants to Engineering and Eastman School of Music. You have to be admitted both places and you receive two bachelors degrees. It might be possible to work out a minor in music rather than a dual degree.</p>
<p>When you said you don't care about getting a degree in violin, that changes everything. Some of the best engineering schools also have top notch orchestras and ensembles and excellent musicians on campus to fill them out. Examples would be MIT, Cornell, and CMU. There is no arrangement between Cornell & Ithaca College. There are better places than the Ivies for practicing engineering; MIT & CMU are about the best. As was mentioned, Michigan and Case are excellent for engineering and music programs, although the competition from the large number of music majors at Michigan may be a problem. UofR is better known for science than engineering; excellent music programs on UofR campus and access to Eastman classes as well.</p>
<p>Case Western would allow dual major in music and engineering, since they allow any dual major and have their own music degree (not from CIM) but it might take more than 4 years.</p>
<p>all good suggestions... but really want to stay close... out of the 4 mentioned... + perhaps rochester... how would my chances be for each... as compared to the strength of the engineering program... like which ones am i more likely to get into and such... i really dont' want to waste my ed and i love penn cornell columbia equally...</p>
<p>cujoe, you are so funny! You want to stay close to "nj, the crappiest place in the US, i mean on earth", according to your info?! Just kidding, of course!</p>
<p>Cornell engineering = hell on earth loll. Basically, unless you feel completely dedicated to this great, but VERY involved program and are willing to put in EXTREME hours at the expense of a social life and sleep, Cornell engineering may not be for you. It's doable and Cornell is AWESOME, not too far away (about 5 hours from NYC), has a really nice campus (make sure you like the snow...) and loads of great people.
Some of my friends are in the Columbia SEAS program, and ALL have enjoyed it and remained interested and committed to it throughout their time at Columbia. It's very intensive, as well, but the program is not as competitive as Cornell, and definitely less stressful, most of my friends have plenty of free time to roam Columbia's gorgeous campus or chill in the city. New Jersey is just a train ride away on the PATH.</p>
<p>your scores are pretty typical for prospective engineers, so the 800's in math won't exactly impress the colleges you're looking at, but they've become almost like prerequisites for top engineering programs. you're violin abilities will hopefully make you seem very well-rounded as a student.
good luck!</p>
<p>ooh- forgot to mention-
most of the universities are looking for full time music students, so you'll probably only be able to take available electives wherever you go if engineering is your top priority, and many places make it very difficult to switch into music once you're accepted.</p>