<p>usna, it was the Jan SAT, he raised his score enough to be QQQ with it.</p>
<p>Z, you've given an excellent breakdown, and not to quibble but ... I believe you cannot count those admitted to NAPS as being admitted effectively to USNA (the 2.1%). Reason: They are counted among the 1200 the following year. And so to include them in the overall figure is essentially double counting. From another perspective, the 1200 admitted this year already include those from NAPS from the preceding year, give or take a few.</p>
<p>So the effective percentage remains the same ... about a 10% overall admit rate ... and nearly 100% from NAPS reapplicants but only 8.5% (950 remaining slots after NAPS/11,750 applicants after the NAPS kids are removed. </p>
<p>Please correct if I've figured this incorrectly.</p>
<p>The good news: Into NAPS and you're in unless you blow the bunny.</p>
<p>The less-than-good news: For those HS and college student applicants not getting into NAPS the chances are more slim than what the gross stats and Princeton Review portray. And for even more of a reality check, this fails to recognize those coming from the fleet, again, if I understand it, are nearly 100% locks for appointment if they're encouraged to apply. Only about 8 of 100 candidates. Bottomline is it's tough and competitive and illustrates the need to do one's best in all aspects of the applicant measurement scales.</p>
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<p>Then someone screwed up. If he did indeed have a primary MOC nomination with a 3Q in January, he should have gotten an appointment. Unless he went before the board and was turned down and his file was reopened after the updated SAT scores which I have never heard of happening.</p>
<p>whistlepig.... would second your breakdown, tweeking it just a tad by subtracting out another 60-80 slots for the foundation students already in the pipeline as well for any given year.... abet, it won't move the numbers much.... and the bottom line is that it remains a competetive process (USNA direct, NAPS or foundation) no matter how you look at it!</p>
<p>Best of luck to all that toss their hats into the mix!</p>
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I believe you cannot count those admitted to NAPS as being admitted effectively to USNA (the 2.1%). Reason: They are counted among the 1200 the following year. And so to include them in the overall figure is essentially double counting. From another perspective, the 1200 admitted this year already include those from NAPS from the preceding year, give or take a few.
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<p>You could certainly look at it that way, what with the NAPSters from last year offsetting those going in this year...</p>
<p>Bottom line, though, is that NAPS is no easier to get than USNA and could even be viewed as being more difficult (as I explained further down). Additionally, it is often misbelieved that one applies to NAPS in lieu of USNA. That, of course, is not true. You apply to USNA and, if you don't get an appointment, are INVITED to attend NAPS IF the CGO thinks you make the cut.</p>
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And for even more of a reality check, this fails to recognize those coming from the fleet, again, if I understand it, are nearly 100% locks for appointment if they're encouraged to apply.
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<p>I dunno. It would be interesting to see that statistic. I know of at least one person (an old boss and good friend) who applied repeatedly to USNA and didn't get it.............. until AFTER he had already been made a Mustang Ensign. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Actually Zap is correct but for a different reason. One must look at total offers vice offers accepted. There are usually 1600 or so offers each year and if one subtracts out the 300 or so for NAPS/Foundation, that leaves 1200-1300 for the USNA pool. And also, the NAPS/Foundation offers are probably up around 600 to get the 300 acceptances.</p>
<p>The qualifications to get in are easier but the percentages are less.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it would be to assume the total 12,000 applicants form a bell curve of some type. The directs are at the end while the NAPSters and Foundation candidates are more toward the fuller center and, therefore, more of them.</p>
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The qualifications to get in are easier but the percentages are less.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it would be to assume the total 12,000 applicants form a bell curve of some type. The directs are at the top while the NAPSters and Foundation candidates are more toward the fuller center and there are more of them.
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<p>An excellent graphical expression of what I was saying, only much clearer. </p>
<p>Is the appointment-offer-decline rate among NAPS and Foundation really as high as 50%? :eek:</p>
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<p>Is the same pool referred to both?
The reason I ask is that we were told the 64+ offers of the foundation program (this applies to last year) were taken from the 600+ of applicants referred....</p>
<p>not that it changes anything, except satisfying my curiosity!</p>
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<p>I have no hard facts to base this on, just a conversation with the foundation folks that many "turn down the offer".... and not sure if I got it correct, but I believe some of it parent-driven for some reason or another????</p>
<p>I think some may take an offer of NAPS or foundation as being "second rate" or "not good enough"..... when, in reality, it is "just as good", and IMO, "even better"..... that one extra year does so much in the area of maturity that, IMO, is more than worth every minute spent in the extra preparation!</p>
<p>but I guess, for some, having a direct appointment at one place, or an admission offer at another, may appear as a better alternative then doing a year of prep....with the final "stamp of approval" coming in April of their prep year....</p>
<p>Don't misuderstand... I am very much in favor of these programs.... but in retrospect, they are a bit of a risk.... that you will suceed academically, or remain uninjured.... then again, one could argue the same outcome would result from a direct appointment for which one is not "fully prepared" for....</p>
<p>so I think what is key is that the candidate is motivated enough to put his/her heart and soul into doing well..... so that they don't lose their seat in the upcoming class! Anything less can prove disasterous!</p>
<p>IMO...if USNA/Navy is the goal, and an offer of NAPs or the foundation gets put on the table, and the candidate is ready, willing and able.... RUN (don't walk) to the postoffice with your acceptance!</p>
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<p>The FAQ portion of the Foundation website states "over 300". The last number I saw which I can't seem to locate now, I think, was 321. But it has always been in the low 300s that I remember.</p>
<p>NAPS, I am not sure about but I would also assume somewhere around 300 offers for the 200 or so HS civilian slots.</p>
<p>Very rough guess, probably a little low.</p>
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<p>Oh, oh.... I may have read it wrong. I read it as NAPSters and Foundation kids who are offered appointments to USNA turn them down at a rate of 50%.</p>
<p>Oy. Lemme go back and look...</p>
<p>ETA: Oh, dear. I did read it wrong. Oops. :o</p>
<p>USNA69- thanks for the clarification...
It would stand to reason that the "600" number we were told included both the foundation and NAPs program combined....give or take a few!</p>