<p>annasdad: Do you have any idea what areas belong to “NYC”? Something tells me you are quite clueless on this notion that 1/2 the population in “NYC” survives on $134K. Survives is key word here. </p>
<p>You can rent a one bedroom in a ghetto and move your entire family in. Then $134K would likely provide some extra $ for college savings.</p>
<p>Compare your rural midwest avg income to that needed in a metropolitan area.</p>
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<p>I’m very sorry for your predicament. Maybe you’ll get into Notre Dame or maybe she’ll pay for SUNY or something else. I can’t find any place in Brooklyn where it’s really an 1.5 hour bus ride to Brooklyn College, but if you say so, I believe you. </p>
<p>The way I see it, you are either too late (you didn’t look for full-ride schools) or too early (at some point, your school will likely let you apply to more schools under the circumstances). If there is nothing to be done right now, then just wait until there is something to be done. </p>
<p>The only other option I see for you, assuming that you will be 18 when you graduate, and I hesitate to even suggest it, but here goes
<p>Registration for courses is open enrollment. In order to be admitted to a degree program, you have to pass 3 courses with a minimum GPA including Expository Writing. Courses are cheap, around $1000 each. Registration for Expository Writing fills up the first day of registration every time. You need a credit card to register. </p>
<p>Although it’s mostly older traditional students, there are a surprising number of 18 year olds going to college through this program because it’s so cheap and because it’s Harvard. The academics will be pretty good. If you already have friends going to school in Boston, you may even be able to have a social life. This isn’t for the faint-hearted though because you won’t get the traditional college experience and you’d have a pretty tough life working by day and being a student by night (and on weekends). </p>
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<p>Indeed I do. The census bureau’s New York Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area (SMSA) includes Bronx, Kings, Nassau, New York, Putnam, Queens, Richmond, Rockland, Suffolk, and Westchester Counties in New York; Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Hunterdon, Middlesex, Monmouth, Morris, Ocean, Passaic, Somerset, Sussex, and Union Counties in New Jersey; and Pike County, Pennsylvania.</p>
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<p>And actually, half the population of the New York SMSA survives on $80,200 or less.</p>
<p>You could look it up - <a href=“https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/refmaterials/hudmedinc/[/url]”>https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/refmaterials/hudmedinc/</a></p>
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<p>Well, out here in heehawland, we had a kid from one of our local high schools get into the Harvard class of 2015. His high school is 70% free and reduced lunch. So send 'em out here, we’ll be glad to eddicate 'em.</p>
<p>Love the term heehawland. ;)</p>
<p>Not relevant. Free and reduced fee lunch kids go to Harvard for free. Kids whose parents won’t pay are SOL.</p>
<p>Although I also like the term heehawland!</p>
<p>The question was the quality of the high school, alleged to depend on the price of the neighborhood. </p>
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<p>New York City consists of the 5 boroughs: Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island or 5 counties (NY, Bronx, Kings, Queens and Richmond). I remember when they used to teach that in the NYC public school system (boy am I getting old).</p>
<p>Nassau County, Suffolk County, Westchester County, Putnam County, are not part of NYC. The mayors and county executives of these counties would be offended and quick to say that while they are commuting distance to the city they are not part of the City.</p>
<p>Yes, there is a huge difference between the rents and public schools on the upper east side, PS 6, 87, East Side Middle (all part of Manhattan school district 2) & Eleanor Roosevelt (which was built as a feeder for the kids from East Side Middle) and Bedford Stuyvestant (which I am willing to bet money that you would not send your kids to school); PS 262, PS 41, JHS 57, Boys and Girls HS. Rents in a one bedroom apartment in a brownstone in Bedford Stuyvesant is now more than $1500/month.</p>
<p>There is a huge difference between schools in Tribeca (where I lived and sent my kid to school) PS 234 PS/IS 89, Stuyvesant (ok, it’s a specialized school) and East Harlem (where I worked for a number of years): Heritage HS, Coalition HS, JHS 13 PS 83. If you are not living in the projects, you are paying a nice penny in rent $1600+ for a 1 bedroom apt (D’s best friend who is a teacher is thrilled to have a “cheap” apartment in the neighborhood).</p>
<p>Score one for Sybbie. Right again, as usual.</p>
<p>If you want to consider the city proper, the median family income (2009) was only $50,033 (<a href=“http://www.city-data.com/city/New-York-New-York.html[/url]”>http://www.city-data.com/city/New-York-New-York.html</a>). I was giving the poster who claimed that $134K was an ordinary income in “NY” the benefits of the doubt by citing the income for the SMSA, which is some $30K higher than that of the city proper. </p>
<p>And if you’re talking about just the city, then gifted kids in sketchier areas have the magnet schools. My son-in-law grew up in the Bronx in a lower-middle-class, single-parent family and went to Bronx Science. I don’t know what the options are in less-affluent 'burbs. </p>
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<p>There is no NYC proper, if you live in any of the 5 boroughs, you live in NYC. The “city”, which has more businesses and tourist attractions located there than any other borough, Manhattan is a borough that makes up NYC. It is definitely not the most populous, when it comes to where people live. </p>
<p>The problem with your link is that you are only looking at one borough (Manhattan), not the whole city of NY. But even looking at the link that you provided, there is a lot of information that you cannot access (ex. </p>
<p>In my old hood 10282 the avg income is $200,660 (which is more than way more than Op’s family income). In the old neighborhood where I worked the avg income is 34,501 (which is a fraction of OP’s family income).</p>
<p>You don’t have to live in the Bx to attend Bx Science. The great thing about BX science and the 2 other specialized high schools are that they are open to all NYC residents who can pass the test.</p>
<p>If you are going to use your link, then you must use the other 4 boroughs to get a snap shot of the city. The median income in Bklyn is 43,166, with the median income where I grew up 11233 being $27,466 (I too went to one of the big 3 specialized high schools) median Queens $55,120 Staten Island $66,292, Bx 32,893. but in almost every borough, you will find neighborhoods that far exceed the average income.</p>
<p>And being in the outer boroughs, we pay through the nose to commute into Manhattan by way of tolls and fares. I don’t think $134k is poor by any stretch of the imagination, but I can absolutely see many families with the best of intentions who make that amount of money and can’t pay for more than a CUNY. We don’t have any SUNYs in the city proper, so pretty much any kid going to a SUNY from the city will have to pay room and board. Which brings the cost to around $20k, which might or might not be possible for such a family. If they have two bedrooms in Manhattan, not in the projects or otherwise subsidized housing, I’m betting CUNY is their best bet.</p>
<p>Just one tiny note. Annasdad, do you have any idea how hard it is to get into those magnet or specialized programs? Incredibly hard on the order of selective colleges. My son is applying to high school this year and I can tell you that getting into a good high school in NYC is harder, uglier, more stressful than anything the college process can throw at you (and I’ve done that twice). No one can take for granted a seat in one of those programs because they’re like hitting the lottery. Particularly since there is a segment of the super-duper-affluent community which preps and tutors for admission to those schools to the tune of a very lot of money. People who can’t afford the tutoring, prep and enrichment are often SOL.</p>
<p>the problem is that too many want to live the same lifestyle as their peers, even though their peers are not saving a dime. If someone is making XX amount of money, they want the same size house, same cars as others who are making the same salary. The frugal people know if they want to save, they can’t live beyond their means. </p>
<p>Sadly, it’s more important to many to live the lifestyle of their peers rather than living a little below their means and being able to save.</p>
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Sometimes living within a person’s means allows for the family’s children to attend CUNY schools at which they can obtain excellent educations without crippling debt.</p>
<p>*We should also remember that it’s December 27th and three or four days before most app deadlines.</p>
<p>My school keeps a very strict policy and it’s highly unlikely that I’ll be able to change it now. Also, if it’s not an amazing school I don’t plan on going anywhere that’s not within a 6 or 7 hours driving distance. *</p>
<p>You can still send your app in and send test scores. Colleges understand that transcripts might be late because schools are closed right now. Then when school reopens appeal to your GC to send transcripts because of your situation. If she won’t budge, to to the principal.</p>
<p>Am I the only one with a problem with a high school that only “allows” a certain number of apps? Look circumstances change. “Talk” to the gc, but if you don’t get anywhere it’s time to start making some demands.</p>
<p>I have advised OP that if her GC is unwilling to work with her that she should go directly to her AP-PPS. If she does not have on (which I doubt), then she should contact her principal and let him/her know about OP’s situation. If she is still not getting any satisfaction, she should have her mother get involved and contact the network leader.</p>
<p>If student is using the common app and adds common app schools it won’t matter how many schools she applies to because on the documents are up loaded (recommendations, transcripts, GC evaluations) each school will receive the information. Unless she is applying to a bunch of schools where you have to self manage the process and send in all of the parts via snail mail or need needs a large number of fee waivers (a moot point), it is not a big deal to add on other schools.</p>
<p>She can apply to CUNY and as a NY high school student, her transcripts will be retrieved automatically - she does not need a guidance counselor.</p>
<p>Reading the opening post carefully, it looks as though the parent has proposed a viable, affordable option for the student to obtain her undergraduate degree and save money for her graduate degree. The student disagrees with the plan, and the parent has said that the student is free to pursue other options at her own expense (my assumption is that the parent is fully aware that the student cannot obtain $40,000 in loans each year w/o a cosigner).</p>
<p>It appears the student is producing roadblocks to applying to affordable schools with the hope that the parent will then agree to the unaffordable plan because the student has no other options. The student should step back and decide if they truly would rather have no options at all for college on April 1st or if they would like to also consider the parent proposal (apply to local, affordable schools) as they wait to see if any of their preferred options magically works out via a visit from the “tuition fairy.”</p>